What do you think TE4 should change/have/improve?

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Re: What do you think TE4 should change/have/improve?

Postby Ivo ISNER » 02 Sep 2016, 20:41

polakis wrote:I think that you must improve service returns. Its way too difficult. I have played 200 online games plus offline matches and i get destroyed from top players. cant even return normal. I cant be that useless player. I was no1 online in top spin 4 world tour on xbox360!


I honestly think returning is way too easy. You just have to practice the return. Once you get to a high level, you will see that returning is way too OP. Just look at Richie1308's matches, there are breaks everywhere. Also, I love this game a lot manutoo, you did a good job with it, but these deep counters should at least be slightly decreased in depth. If you are an attacker, you will likely loose the match vs a top player which is also caused by stamina.
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Re: What do you think TE4 should change/have/improve?

Postby BabyManu » 15 Sep 2016, 08:24

Agree with Ivo Isner, return should not be touched, it's perfectly balanced.
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Re: What do you think TE4 should change/have/improve?

Postby BabyManu » 15 Sep 2016, 08:34

For information, polakis never was a top player on top spin 4, he was average.

24 Mar' 12 jayb1988 - polakis R32 4-6, 7-5, 7-5
Sony Ericsson Open MS ITST World Tour 1000 Surface: Hard

29 Feb' 12 sebastianhu - polakis Quarter-Finals 4-1
Regions Morgan Keegan Championships MS ITST World Tour 500 Surface: Hard

These Jayb & Sebastianhu weren't even top 30 players... :applause:
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Re: What do you think TE4 should change/have/improve?

Postby polakis » 16 Sep 2016, 16:25

BabyManu wrote:For information, polakis never was a top player on top spin 4, he was average.

24 Mar' 12 jayb1988 - polakis R32 4-6, 7-5, 7-5
Sony Ericsson Open MS ITST World Tour 1000 Surface: Hard

29 Feb' 12 sebastianhu - polakis Quarter-Finals 4-1
Regions Morgan Keegan Championships MS ITST World Tour 500 Surface: Hard

These Jayb & Sebastianhu weren't even top 30 players... :applause:



LOL! Who talked about itst? I was no1 in the real official world tour on xbox live. Itst top spin 4 had many cheaters my friend so i stopped playing...And whats your point about itst? What do you want to prove? Whats the relation in tennis elbow and this topic of suggestions?

Offtopic on:
Here is the proof of ranking:
https://instagram.com/p/dA77AYGee-/

Polakis miles away first as far as i can see...
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Re: What do you think TE4 should change/have/improve?

Postby BabyManuu » 26 Sep 2016, 06:33

Daddy, for the legs animations, I suggest you to watch this video youtube.com/watch?v=7yztU-0-7nk between 1:36 and 1:42. You'll see nice examples of how backward and forward runs could be integrated in a tennis game. The legs during the service motions are also good.

At 3:14, we can also notice how the character doesn't remain static: there's a hopping animation as players proceed in real life when they're waiting for their next opponent shot. There also are interesting details in terms of body balance and transitions imo even if it's certainly not perfect.

With these kinds of animations you can definitely kill the soap effect of TE and make the game way more immersive and marketable :)
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Re: What do you think TE4 should change/have/improve?

Postby Black $en$ei » 23 Oct 2016, 21:33

Tennis Elbow 2013 was gameplaywise already the best game of tennis I ever touched but the biggest aspect that I never played it for real was that it wasn't satisfying enough in the regular default mode without modes like the ITST one and so on.

Means we need a game that's good enough in terms of animations, gameplay and presentation by default, untouched by any extra or special mode, cause otherwise it wouldn't offer a straight concept and is to confusing with all those special modifications.

I know you can't use the real Names of Tennisstars from what I have seen, but even with fakenames atleast the animations and courts should offer a straight and good feeling.

and if you plan to bring this game also for ps4 you gotta deliever what I just said anyway cause of the lack of mode possibilities.

Means we need a game that offers a straight competition for everyone by default, no matter if you are just casual or rather hardcore and not a game that's splitted by hundred of modifications what also splits the whole playerbase.
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Re: What do you think TE4 should change/have/improve?

Postby Skochko » 24 Oct 2016, 02:13

Some random thoughts about the career mode (those with a * should definitely be features imo):
- *Doubles partner affinity: Makes players more likely to pair up with someone they like more, perhaps also hard-coded with real life doubles pairings, especially if they're related, like the Bryan brothers for example.
- *Doubles specialty: Think of a way to buff the stats of mediocre singles players when they play doubles, especially if they're good at it in real life, so we don't get singles players like Maria Sharapova dominating the doubles tour.

I think these two things above would tremendously improve the experience of playing doubles in career mode, since it's a real mess right now and it shouldn't be, since you went through trouble of making it a feature.

- Player relationships: A more complex version of Doubles partner affinity, where players have a like/dislike rating towards other players, maybe even developing rivalries and giving a slight buff to stats when playing a rival (like when Ivanovic plays crazy good against Jankovic). It doesn't even have to be automatic. Give an option to periodically improve or reduce the relationship of an opponent you faced during that period, for example. Pretty cool for role playing.
- *Fed/Davis Cup player selection: Make an option to change player selection, especially in doubles, in addition to the already present option of picking players based on their ranking. It's pretty annoying when you lose because some nobodies get picked for doubles.
- Final set tie break in USO: Honestly, this is irrelevant to me, but it would reflect real life.
- Surface specialty: Make it like a quest to develop a specialty which gives a slight buff to player's stats on a particular surface.
- Serve buff based on height: Not sure if this is already implemented, but tall players should serve more powerfully than short players with the same serve stat.
- Speed buff based on height: Same idea as serve, just buffing shorter players.
- Dynamic weight: Make it possible to change it slightly during off season or something. More weight giving you a bit more power, while less weight giving you more speed.
- Fatigue from overplaying: Again, not sure if this is already in the game, but playing 3+ consecutive weeks should de-buff your stats temporarily, or make you lose stamina faster during matches.
- Confidence: Get a slight temporary buff from consecutive wins, titles or a Top 5 win and a slight de-buff from consecutive losses.
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Re: What do you think TE4 should change/have/improve?

Postby manutoo » 24 Oct 2016, 10:02

Skochko,
Doubles partner affinity & Doubles specialty, but not used for Women Tour (I have about 0 knowledge of Women Doubles), and not much used in recent years in Men Doubles either (I didn't add new doubles players for years).

Final set tie break in USO, Speed buff based on height : already there.

Confidence : in TEM, but no meaning in TE (confidence is in the user mind, or not ;) ).
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Re: What do you think TE4 should change/have/improve?

Postby Skochko » 24 Oct 2016, 17:30

manutoo wrote:Skochko,
Doubles partner affinity & Doubles specialty, but not used for Women Tour (I have about 0 knowledge of Women Doubles), and not much used in recent years in Men Doubles either (I didn't add new doubles players for years).

Final set tie break in USO, Speed buff based on height : already there.

Confidence : in TEM, but no meaning in TE (confidence is in the user mind, or not ;) ).

A hard codded variable to use for stat scaling shouldn't be hard to implement. I'm sure many of us could help you compile a list, based on rankings dating back 20-30 years. Since you're already going through the trouble of making doubles a feature, why not make it great with just a tweak or two?

The confidence part was more about computer controlled opponents, like when a low ranked player progresses and makes your draw super easy. Once you get the hang of the game, it's almost impossible to get a surprise loss :D
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Re: What do you think TE4 should change/have/improve?

Postby excellentennis99 » 20 Nov 2016, 14:14

Can you fix the invert right/left hand in player's customize? It will be easier to make outfits for left-handed players.
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Re: What do you think TE4 should change/have/improve?

Postby JRAJ19 » 26 Nov 2016, 21:44

Would it be possible to be able to edit the length of a career?
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Re: What do you think TE4 should change/have/improve?

Postby manutoo » 27 Nov 2016, 09:54

excellentennis99,
might be possible.

JRAJ19,
it's a popular request since a very long time, and yup, it should be possible to change it (at very least in Tennis.ini).

Skochko,
sorry, I wanted to answer you earlier, but I guess I got a busy day on last Oct 25th and it slipped my mind... :sweat:

Check here to learn the basis about the Player base ( = Players.ini) : topic29-4059.php .
If you want to set up the DoubleSpirit stat for many players, I'll be glad to incorporate your additions in the game (modify Players.ini from the latest version of the game).
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Re: What do you think TE4 should change/have/improve?

Postby kristooph » 07 Dec 2016, 03:05

Hi manutoo, hi everyone, it was a lot of months when i wrote here sth.
Is topic about changing appearance of game still actual?
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Re: What do you think TE4 should change/have/improve?

Postby manutoo » 07 Dec 2016, 09:46

kristooph,
yes.
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Re: What do you think TE4 should change/have/improve?

Postby FedererDeniz » 07 Dec 2016, 21:54

Hello Manutoo,i have few suggestions i saw some of them still writtien by you in the te4 page and some of them might written in this pages but sorry for if write something twice,here are my suggestions.

1-) Big server player. There should be a big server player.There is not a choice like that in TE2013.

2-)Slice. Slice is sometimes a weapon.Mostly for Federer.It really can turn the point to you.There should be an extra slice upgrade maybe.

3-)Down the line shots should be tougher to hit but when they are hitten it should be more effective.

4-)There should be tweeners.You can try when you are lobbed.

5-)Hawk Eye the challange.It must be there.

6-)PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE MAKE IT POSSIBLE TO BUY FOR PS4
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