Mana Games

[MichaelTA]

Thanks for the play day options, it will help out a lot with scheduling for singles and doubles
I think the invisible player fix may be due to no matches starting in fast forward mode, but I'll let you know if it happens again.

1) When recruiting juniors, could you make it show their junior rankings if their objective involves a junior achievement. I'm aware this already happens if, instead of viewing all players, only juniors are viewed, but that is the only scenario that it displays correctly.

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2) For the Olympics, although the draw shows the correct pairs for doubles, it appears that the first player in a doubles team actually plays the match with their normal partner instead of their compatriot, for example:

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I sent you a relevant save file.

3) When viewing the text-based version of the match, the 3rd place play-off in the Olympics is registered as a "Final" instead of something like 3rd place play off or bronze medal match.

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4) The new version available pop-up doesn't appear on startup if I have the option to select profile on startup set to "Yes". Instead, after I leave the options menu, it appears.

5) If byes are randomly to appear in qualifying, they seem to be placed in awkward places in the draw (I'm assuming they appear because of a lack of players able to enter in this scenario instead of the qualifying draw being set to have a certain number of players in it). Sometimes, 2 byes can be drawn against each other in the same round where 2 players can be drawn against each other.

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I also included a save before this draw was concluded.

6) Whenever I tried to use the play day option, it seemed to also change the days for qualifying matches like they were main draw matches. Could you either set the qualifying matches to occur on the last possible days of the week or add a separate variable to edit for these matches, e.g. PlayDaySQ and PlayDayDQ?

7) If I tried to make the play days so that one half of the draw plays its second round on the same day that the other half completes its first round matches, the draw of any tournaments using this format have the draw consisting of only Ilie Năstase (it's a very strange glitch I have to admit).
For example,

PlayDayS = 1111011 11111110

This theoretically would allow all matches to theoretically not require any overlaps and hence all be played without any collision occurring (as Monday will have top half first rounds, then Tuesday will have top half second rounds and bottom half first rounds, then Wednesday will have bottom half second rounds, then it should all sync up for the 3rd round matches).
More weirdly, some variations of this (e.g. swapping around the bottom and top half play days) will change the effect to only one player in the draw being Ilie Năstase and the rest of the entries being byes, otherwise it could simply complete all matches until the final if the day overlaps will occur work out later in the draw.

8) Could you add doubles wildcards to enter an event, whether due to being from the country or because of a vary high singles ranking? I have only ever received a doubles wildcard due to being in a main draw instead of the next week's qualifying event.

9) When viewing "Tournaments Of The Week" (but not while viewing tournament draws through other means), toggling between "Singles Competition" and "Doubles Competition" changes the tournament being viewed at the same time.

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[MichaelTA]

9) I found that this bug only occurs in certain situations (don't know what exact situations though), so I sent a relevant save

10) Whenever entering a name of a training schedule/coaching tactic, pressing escape closes the whole game down

11) I also noticed that in text-based matches, there are predictable scoring patterns sometimes for the individual games. For example, in a game in which the returner leads 0-40 it is usually a break the next point. If not, it always goes to deuce (i.e. there will never be a break of serve at 15-40 or 30-40 if it was previously 0-40 in that game). This could be a coincidence I suppose, but this scenario has arisen a whole lot, and every single time it has followed this pattern which leads me to believe that it isn't coincidental (I have noticed a couple of other scoring patterns within individual games as well, but this is just the most obvious one).

[manutoo]

MichaelTA,

Note : DFTU = Done For Today's Update

1) DFTU + same for doubles rankings + fixed viewing this screen when Race Ranking + Doubles competition were selected

2) DFTU ; it was happening only with 2-week long Olympics, as the engine was restoring the current doubles partner at the end of the week

3) DFTU

4) Is really a problem ?

5) It's because you don't have enough players ; normally, it shouldn't happen in the original game. Anyway, I made the Byes appear more naturally, like if the draw was smaller

6) With today's update, you can do like this :
PlayDayS = 0011110 0011110 1110000 1110000
or, to have the same days for up & down parts :
PlayDayS = 0011110 . 1110000

7) The engine cannot play 2 different rounds on the same day

8) Noted down

9) The button actually just swaps between the singles & doubles tournament list ; if there's no doubles draw in a tournament, then the lists don't have the same tournaments. In your example, you had the Monte Carlo Singles in the Week 25 instead of the Week 16, and only in Singles not in Doubles, so I hope it was a terrible accident coming from your Modding and not from an engine's bugs...
Anyway, I changed the button behavior so it'll pick the matching tournament.

10) DFTU (that's what a surprising one ! )

11) I checked and I was applying the rule that the players always have the same chance to win each point in a game. I tuned that so now the system takes into account that leading the game score usually gives more chance to win the current point. This should give a more natural point progression. Let me know if it works or not !

[MichaelTA]

4) Not really, just wasn't sure if it was intentional because the checking for update box appeared first, then the profile select menu, then the new update available box

9) That was because the final of that tournament was never played, but the rest of the tournament was during week 16 (I set PlayDayS = 1111011 1111110 originally I believe, or maybe PlayDayS = 1101111 0111111, which gave that problem)

11) It's hard to tell what this effect is like because it seems like another bug has surfaced - when the opponent has a lead at 30 points they win the game if they win the next point

12) I tried to use this for Davis Cup, but it caused lots of problems (when getting picked for doubles, but not for singles, examples include; the round was referred to as "Round 0", the tie was said to be in Africa {but it was USA against Italy}, and playing the doubles match after flying home from the event):

PlayDayS = 1010000 1010000
PlayDayD = 0100000 0100000

Is there something wrong with this that I'm not noticing?

13) I don't think this tooltip should appear because clicking doesn't do anything

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[manutoo]

11) I hadn't noticed that my little change created an edge case leading to a bug !
It should be fixed in today's update.

12) internal PlayDayS for Singles is "0010000 1000000" ( = only 1 round with 4 matches), so your value will lead to all Singles matches done by the 1st day, but it shouldn't create an issue afterward (I guess ) ; and for Doubles it's "0100000 0100000", so it's same than yours, so I'm not sure what's wrong.
Maybe it was a bug coming from something else...
Try to put the correct values for PlayDayS to see if it helps or not.

13) Fixed

[MichaelTA]

1) The break point conversion still seems to be low after the change for text-based matches (although it is an improvement). Using the ATP stats from this year, the players listed average ~40% converted (7545/18837) from 2640 matches. However, from 81 of my matches my stats gave ~31% converted (367/1170), i.e. Isner is the only listed player with a stat below this in 2018, no listed player from 2017 was below this.
https://www.atptour.com/en/stats/break- ... 8/all/all/

2) The auto-rebook option for planning doesn't work for different tournaments in the same family, e.g. playing in Toronto one year will not book for Montreal the next year (I don't know if Toronto will be booked for two years in the future or not in this case)

3) Davis Cup seems to work that with those values, I'm guessing it had something to do with having two "1"s in each of the singles blocks

[manutoo]

1) Where did you find the global 40% stat ? I'd like to see if it's the same at ITF level.
Also, I absolutely didn't aim for a realistic rate here, so the result ain't too bad already...

2) Fixed in today's update

[MichaelTA]

Those stats are on the ATP website, and have been updated annually. Only about 50 players have their stats shown each year though. For Futures events, I don't know if those stats exist, but you could easily view the stats on individual matches on the ITF tour and calculate an average across a lot of matches (there are stats for most main draw Futures matches, which are available for a couple of weeks after they have been played, afterwards they get deleted).

As for realism, you don't need to be overly accurate, my point was simply that conversion rates on break points still seem to be a bit low.

[manutoo]

Ok, without global stats, it should be taken with a bit of precaution. In average, a group with a higher win ratio should have a higher break point conversion rate compared to another group with a lower win ratio. The Top 50 might have a higher win ratio than lower ranked players.
I can't do easily the stats in-game, as the point by point exists only for the user, so could you give me 2 more precisions :
- your player was in the Top 50 during these 81 matches ?
- these matches occurred with the SubBuild from December 21st ? Or an earlier one ? The SubBuild 2018.12.21 should mechanically raise the conversion rate as it should have a bit fewer break points than before.

[MichaelTA]

It was SubBuild 2018.12.21 so yes
I was in the top 50 for just under half of those matches, but my stats were pretty similar the whole way through (which I would think is more important to know than just ranking)

Regardless, I don't think break point conversion would vary that much between lower and higher ranked players in real life because they are all against other players at their respective tour level for most of their matches (but yes it could vary a little, I would guess no less than 35% though).

[manutoo]

I checked the listed top 25 players in that list and I got a ~39.8% conversion rate, so the variations might come more from the player skills (eg: good in return of serve), and on the player most played surfaces (mid and slow surfaces help the rate), than their rank.

Anyway, it'd be a bit tedious to tune in the game right now, so maybe I'll look into it later on...

[cj1984]

When a player in 3D Mode suffers a bearable injury and plays on, the other player gets a walk over, even if the injured player wins the match.

[manutoo]

cj1984,
actually, it didn't happen when the injured was bearable, but the injury details were incorrect and always shown bearable...
Both issues are fixed in today's update, thanks to your report !

[cj1984]

That's fast bug fixing

I like watching interesting matches of players I like or big finals even when no player I coach plays (watching tennis in TEM2 is sometimes actually fun ). On a pre match screen of a match from completly AI controlled players I would like to see Head to Head of these players against each other and not against my player. But I don't know if it's interesting for other players.

[manutoo]

cj1984,
good idea, I noted it down, but I likely won't do it before finishing to port the game to Unity.

>> watching tennis in TEM2 is sometimes actually fun

That's the goal...