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Re: LR-tell me ur thoughts

Postby Nadalesque » 02 Apr 2013, 19:18

That just proves my point that high ping influences alot the match..U would never beat him with that score in good conditions.. I mean its possible to beat u guys but we need to be playing in GOD level or playing for months in such a high ping to practice[/quote]

Well , he has beaten me in that ping too.. so obviously, it doesn't influence
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Re: LR-tell me ur thoughts

Postby Dasp » 02 Apr 2013, 19:19

Nadalesque wrote:But you still gave him a WO , which you shouldn't have done..

Why shouldnt i? The things u most see in this forum are angry guys who lost for RL or WO and the other guy wasnt online..And most of the times its because people who get the WO or RL have a higher ranking, and there was no need for any discussion
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Re: LR-tell me ur thoughts

Postby Dasp » 02 Apr 2013, 19:21

Nadalesque wrote:Well , he has beaten me in that ping too.. so obviously, it doesn't influence

did u read what i just said before answering? i said everyone can lose, if he had a lucky day or was playing well of course he can beat u, but playing like this of course everyone loses against u more often..
anyway this topic isnt just about u, there are many others
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Re: LR-tell me ur thoughts

Postby manutoo » 03 Apr 2013, 04:06

Dasp,
0- I play a lot more against the CPU, so for me, the standard Delay is 0ms, not 200ms ; and when I play online, I don't have problem with 200ms Delay

1- Return B1+B2 isn't changed by high Delay, as long as you hit early enough to avoid the Safe Shot ( = No Button Shot)

2- Yup, it's true, but this should be annoying only for the very 1st match you play with high Delay ; once you know that, it's quite easy to adapt => just need to stay alert a couple more seconds, never stop to play till the ball bounced twice

3- Autopos works exactly the same, it's not influenced by Delay

4- short acceleration bounce is exactly the same as well ; if you noticed it's different, it's likely coz Nadalesque was using a very high Top Spin skill where more players usually play with a low one

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it's working as intended, and as I said I always play with high Delay and almost never notice any real glitch (ie: the opponent hits the ball, then not hits it), maybe only 2 or 3 per set, this is quite acceptable for me.
If your opponent is lagging for you, then you're lagging for him as well, so it's fair (see my point #2 above).

What Mod told you that ?
Actually right now, there's a little issue to enforce the LR coz we don't have any Tour Mod in USA / Western Europe... Although Sampreas is in Bosnia so if his connection is fast, it could do the trick.
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Re: LR-tell me ur thoughts

Postby Algo » 03 Apr 2013, 04:10

That would be me, although I've never said it that way (that I remember) but it's just a matter of reading the topics around it when it was stablished. My opinion hasn't change a bit about it, though I've had to give some LRs and I've done it without trouble.

I think RL is always preferable over LR, for reasons explained by manutoo, the game is lagging for both, and 'laggy players' aren't the cause of the problem (at will). ISPs are, and we can't do anything about it, they won't care to give a better service unless we riot.
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Re: LR-tell me ur thoughts

Postby Sabatini » 03 Apr 2013, 11:56

Just to say a few words, like first i have talk with Algo a lot about LR and he knows that i m person which don't like that solution at all, you don't give chance to opponenet to show his game, if is ping that much high and you can't play match then there is no reason to do LR in that case we can do RL. For all this time playing tournaments here i didn't ask for LR or even think on that, i was playing in some conditions which are not that much good but i was still playing. Also i have to say, i feel that my player is slower when is high ping, don't know why but i feel just like that. And to say about lag, i have problems to play on 1 % lag because there are automatic variations in ping, when your ping is 117 in one second and in the other ping go to 200 it is not easy to play, of course i have to say that these variations with ping are not in every point. I really don't want to talk about lag which is more then 4% because i think that these are not good conditions for playing, and one more thing, to every player which told me that can't play because of the lag or high ping i always say try in some other time maybe conditions would be better, some players have better connection at night some at day it depends, we(when i say we i think on Algo and me) always like to see played matches, because of that we give more time to players and also if we made decision and give w.o or do RL, and the players played that match after our decision, we always put the result instead of that w.o or RL.
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Re: LR-tell me ur thoughts

Postby Dasp » 03 Apr 2013, 13:23

manutoo wrote:1- Return B1+B2 isn't changed by high Delay, as long as you hit early enough to avoid the Safe Shot ( = No Button Shot)

My experience playing tells me it changes, its more likely to hit and error cuz there are always some minor glitches who interfer with movement which makes us arrive late at the ball

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3- Autopos works exactly the same, it's not influenced by Delay


Sampreas wrote:
Also i have to say, i feel that my player is slower when is high ping, don't know why but i feel just like that.

This happens not only to me, see ;)

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4- short acceleration bounce is exactly the same as well ; if you noticed it's different, it's likely coz Nadalesque was using a very high Top Spin skill where more players usually play with a low one


I have played with people with the top spin in 100% and the efect of the ball bounce isn´t the same.. I wasn´t talking just about Nadalesque, he does not uses much short balls, there are other players with lower, or unexistent spin and that happens also..
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Re: LR-tell me ur thoughts

Postby Stajus » 03 Apr 2013, 13:28

Indian laggers are back at it? :lol:
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Re: LR-tell me ur thoughts

Postby Dasp » 03 Apr 2013, 13:31

Stajus wrote:Indian laggers are back at it? :lol:

Tell me what u think mate 8-)
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Re: LR-tell me ur thoughts

Postby Stajus » 03 Apr 2013, 13:37

Dasp wrote:Tell me what u think mate 8-)


Laggers gonna lag :lol: :fear:
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Re: LR-tell me ur thoughts

Postby Dasp » 03 Apr 2013, 14:49

Stajus wrote:Laggers gonna lag :lol: :fear:

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Re: LR-tell me ur thoughts

Postby Dasp » 03 Apr 2013, 14:57

Rotterdam :
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J.Crété wrote:Sheraz def J.Crété 1/6 6/3 7/5

This is so retarded.
It's all about his cheated short cross that are unreachable because of his connection and that he can somehow do on every shot :sweat:

I would be glad to lose in fair conditions but this is just annoying and it kinda feels unfair :?
Congrats anyway I guess, you were clutch on my 3 MP.


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J.Crété wrote:hm in the first set he did a lot of mistakes...
about the net cords i always apologized on them unlike you who didn't say anything on the first and jumped on the second...
And i'm not saying he cheated I know he didn't obviously it's just that it felt like i had to play crazy good to win one point while he just had to hit a short cross and i was basically done.
That's it good job on winning the title.

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Re: LR-tell me ur thoughts

Postby $her@z » 03 Apr 2013, 16:30

Dasp wrote:Rotterdam :
="J.Crété"]Sheraz def J.Crété 1/6 6/3 7/5

This is so retarded.
It's all about his cheated short cross that are unreachable because of his connection and that he can somehow do on every shot :sweat:

I would be glad to lose in fair conditions but this is just annoying and it kinda feels unfair :?
Congrats anyway I guess, you were clutch on my 3 MP.


"J.Crété"]hm in the first set he did a lot of mistakes...
about the net cords i always apologized on them unlike you who didn't say anything on the first and jumped on the second...
And i'm not saying he cheated I know he didn't obviously it's just that it felt like i had to play crazy good to win one point while he just had to hit a short cross and i was basically done.
That's it good job on winning the title
Just saying :whistle:

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well now you have mentioned my name :D so i will reply too you quoted my match did u even know wat was the delay and ping of that match
he hosted it was 200 ms ping and he set 150ms delay now u will say that u cant even play on 150 ms delay its too high and game play changes
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Re: LR-tell me ur thoughts

Postby $her@z » 03 Apr 2013, 16:32

and one more thing on indoor hard u have high chances of hitting a short cross winner
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Re: LR-tell me ur thoughts

Postby Dasp » 03 Apr 2013, 16:37

$her@z wrote:well now you have mentioned my name :D so i will reply too you quoted my match did u even know wat was the delay and ping of that match
he hosted it was 200 ms ping and he set 150ms delay now u will say that u cant even play on 150 ms delay its too high and game play changes

U had already mentioned my name saying i was a crying babe, simply didnt said it to me, i wonder why u did that? ;)
the delay was 150 but the ping was 200 so that says everything :roll:
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