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Re: Casablanca (Offical Topic)

Postby Candas » 08 Apr 2009, 23:39

S.Williamz u are No.1 because and i doubt people will beat you in the near future. You do not do lobs u win all the times rom rallies. Now i someone is winning rom lobs do u care? U are winning all the time, so does manutoo have to change something u like to stop u winning? get my meaning? it is part of the game and i rest my case that the power hitters are always going to win. so when someone tries something new to counter to the power hitter (believe me alot complain) they complain. I paid 15gbp to play this game and not every time i ind something to win manutoo changes it? he hasnt changed ur game so why mine? get my drift? Hopefully nothing gets changed so the game becomes more interesting and also not everyone can handle lobs (its a test) just like a test against power hitters. Understand? 2 version of playing power players and lob players and lobs always end at some point, it is not boring it is just fear rom the top players. 1 gathers manutoo will go with the top players here. So far i have seen all the changes avouring them.

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Re: Casablanca (Offical Topic)

Postby Togtdyalttai » 09 Apr 2009, 00:15

Candas wrote:S.Williamz u are No.1 because and i doubt people will beat you in the near future. You do not do lobs u win all the times rom rallies. Now i someone is winning rom lobs do u care? U are winning all the time, so does manutoo have to change something u like to stop u winning? get my meaning? it is part of the game and i rest my case that the power hitters are always going to win. so when someone tries something new to counter to the power hitter (believe me alot complain) they complain. I paid 15gbp to play this game and not every time i ind something to win manutoo changes it? he hasnt changed ur game so why mine? get my drift? Hopefully nothing gets changed so the game becomes more interesting and also not everyone can handle lobs (its a test) just like a test against power hitters. Understand? 2 version of playing power players and lob players and lobs always end at some point, it is not boring it is just fear rom the top players. 1 gathers manutoo will go with the top players here. So far i have seen all the changes avouring them.

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Candas, S.Williamz isn't the only one against using lobs in rallies. And it's not only power hitters either. I think I've played you enough for you to understand that I'm not a power hitter, and I feel that the game would be more enjoyable with the update Manutoo suggested. It's nothing against you or your game, but most players of this game don't want to go through rally after rally hitting their shots and having them lobbed back so they can't press any kind of advantage in the point. It's even a problem for a defensive player like me because, when I do try to attack, I often do it with a series of shots instead of just one. With lobs, you can end the advantage gained by the attacking player with just one shot, so then what would be the point for me to attack then?

You might remember a few months ago when 100% topspin was becoming a problem because it bounced up so high and was quite unrealistic and unattackable. That affected my game possibly more than anyone else's, but I was able to adapt and find a new style that worked with me. This situation with the lobs is similar to that one, and I think that the game would be better off without the playing style used by lobbers.
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Re: Casablanca (Offical Topic)

Postby Candas » 09 Apr 2009, 00:43

U hit the nail on the head Togt! Adapt! To adapt to new challenges! What u are saying to me is the ONLY people who are against lobs are who HATE it. Look at Andy Murray as a PERFECT EXAMPLE! When he is in trouble because the other guy attacks and ANdy Murray, WHat he do? LOB!? Yes!(ie Del Potro v Murray, Miam Semi Final, WATCH THAT MATCH) Now isnt he the only guy capable of doing that? Yes, so he started a new trend (so cant be unfair since its in real life) if not then it is part of the game again! U know and i know before God ( u will lieing if u say no) is that u and many top people STRUGGLE AGAINST LOBS! That is why u want a change. ISnt it true also like S:williamz says that with the power hitters u need to move well.. Well i have news for u, i cant move well and alot of other people cant move well, so u cant deal with lobs so well, well some people can deal with it and put them away just like SOME PEOPLE can deal with power hitters. Like i said since i paid good money for this game 15gbp and not many TOP PEOPLE spent a penny and play for free, from what i have seen Manutoo has deliberately made the Top people stronger and the not so top people weaker! He will do it again u will see because there is favouritsm, he seems to side with the best, although he will deny it (how can u not?) Proof of this? Why is he playing in a tournament the game he made? In most companies this is against the law to play something u created against others. The reason why is because he wants to test himself against the best to see where he is at, his buddies (so if he wins he can say to his top buddies, i told u i can win) Dont take me wrong but also all admins in this game have ELO of 2500+ I rest my case all evening here but i am afraid it will fall on deaf ears to u guys. I am not trying to make enemies and we are all friends here but in a free country (where i am from) i have a right to be heard because i am angry that Manutoo can change everything that i enjoy in this game.

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Re: Casablanca (Offical Topic)

Postby Candas » 09 Apr 2009, 01:09

Ps.. In real life the power hitters are not no.1 but the power hitters here are all top 10 players. U MUST BE A POWER HITTER TO BE THE BEST! Nadal? Power Hitter? NO! He uses alsmost lob returns. Oh and also Manutto wants to change things? Guess who has won every tournament he/she has played in ( i rest my case) In real life does this happen? Nope, Nadal doesnt win all, Federer but at this moment Murray (the LOBBER) has won almost all. So u see, Tenniselbow = power real life = to control and lob. I said it many times the power in this game is very unrealistic. I t should be slower and it should not be boring u know why? In real life the game takes 1.30hrs on average for a best of 3, here with the power hitters 10 minutes. U see, u have to have a balance, if u going to stop the slower people then u have to stop the power hitters to make it realistic, oh and if the real life people who love tennis can play for 1.30 WHY CANT U? u dont love tennis as much i guess....

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Re: Casablanca (Offical Topic)

Postby Candas » 09 Apr 2009, 01:19

Sorry to talk so much here but i keep forgetting, i am still angry. U know why i am angry? I love this game too much and i love tennis in real life too much too. I am also a ELO 2500+ So i am not that weak (low ELO) to complain. ALl i see here is game is crumbling to suit the best players.

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Re: Casablanca (Offical Topic)

Postby Leena » 09 Apr 2009, 02:21

Those shots that Mopey Murray hits are more loopy topspin, not lobs.

Again, if you hit defensive lobs against real opponents, they'll 1) hit an overhead from the baseline, or 2) hit a swinging volley. Neither work in this game. The best play in Tennis Elbow is too take it on the rise, which is ridiculous (unless someone has found a better option).

It's not just top players that are against this. I'm a 2200 ELO peon that would get bageled by many here.
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Re: Casablanca (Offical Topic)

Postby btaylor » 09 Apr 2009, 06:42

Absolutely NOBODY likes to play opponents who lob ALL the time, in real tennis or anything else.... :?

Like it or not...If the pro players played this way, viewership would drop through the floor, on tv as well as at tournaments, as NO ONE in the modern era will continue to pay good money to watch a debacle like that!
( I may be dating myself here, but probably most of you aren't old enough to remember the "moonballing" days of Andrea Jaeger and Traci Austin) boring, boring, boring... :roll:

It's a FACT that most of the people who play this way,( in real tennis as well as TE) either haven't taken the time, don't WANT to take the time, or just don't have the talent or propensity to learn any other tactics in order to be competitive... 8-)

As for Andy Murray, he definately likes to change the pace of shot during a rally, switching mostly between hard topspin or flatter strokes and softer ones (as well as the slice)...
Federer (when he had his wits about him) was an absolute MAESTRO at mixing up the spins...
Other than hitting a lob when under EXTREME duress (as ALL of the pros do) or maybe the occasional lob volley, it's unfair to Murray to label him a lobber...
And I'm not even a Murray fan...I just KNOW good, entertaining tennis, as I'm sure a lot of us do (some more than others, evidently :wink: )
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Re: Casablanca (Offical Topic)

Postby S.Williamz » 09 Apr 2009, 07:21

You can stop the "power hitters" quite easily, I myself am not a power hitter I hit topspin too, and topspin works extremely well againts a lot of power hitters(unless they have really low counter skill), so that in my opinion is a great way of countering power, it actually requires skill, unlike lobs. Lobs are so easy to hit, and they are overpowered.
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Re: Casablanca (Offical Topic)

Postby S.Williamz » 09 Apr 2009, 07:30

Candas wrote:S.Williamz u are No.1 because and i doubt people will beat you in the near future. You do not do lobs u win all the times rom rallies. Now i someone is winning rom lobs do u care? U are winning all the time, so does manutoo have to change something u like to stop u winning? get my meaning? it is part of the game and i rest my case that the power hitters are always going to win. so when someone tries something new to counter to the power hitter (believe me alot complain) they complain. I paid 15gbp to play this game and not every time i ind something to win manutoo changes it? he hasnt changed ur game so why mine? get my drift? Hopefully nothing gets changed so the game becomes more interesting and also not everyone can handle lobs (its a test) just like a test against power hitters. Understand? 2 version of playing power players and lob players and lobs always end at some point, it is not boring it is just fear rom the top players. 1 gathers manutoo will go with the top players here. So far i have seen all the changes avouring them.

Regards, Candas.


I don't need any testing to know that if lobs continue to be used in rallies, everyone can forget hitting winners right now. There will be no more winners. I personally love hitting winners after a well played point to finish it off. That will be history, because just when you manage to play well enough to put pressure on your opponent, they hit a lob, and it all starts all over again. This will last forever. The thing I love about this game is that both players constantly try to get in control of a rally and once they do, they try to end it with a winner. Imo that is an very fun and realistic way of playing. But with lobs any momentum you get, the opponent can immidiately destroy with the lob. It's not "some way of countering" it's THE way of countering LOL, because trying to put pressure on the opponent becomes pointless. Nothing will work, every single time you hit a good shot the opponent counters it with a lob. Pointless, you might as well hit in the middle of the court all the time, it makes no difference. You can imagine how dull and boring the rallies will be. Are you finally getting my drift????????????
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Re: Casablanca (Offical Topic)

Postby S.Williamz » 09 Apr 2009, 08:10

You know I would be fine with lobs if someone assured me that the apocalypse scenario described above does not happen, but as I know it will happen, something really needs to be done about the lobs. I'm not saying they should be totally removed, but balanced so that they are not so overpowered. The most ridiculous thing right now is that the lob is actually not only a defensive shot, but also an offensive shot! This is because the response shot you hit from the lob is always so weak, that the lobber can get to an offensive position from that. It's hilarious really. So basically to save myself from this I would have to hit a lob off the lob. Sigh.
Maybe everyone will be happy if the lobs can be used but they are balanced so that trying to pressure your opponent still has a point and that you can finish points off with a winner in the future as well. Maybe have a max amount of lobs you can hit, I suggest 3, save it for rallies or when you opponent is at the net, your choice. lol Net points are short enough anyway so no need for unlimited lobs.
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Re: Casablanca (Offical Topic)

Postby S.Williamz » 09 Apr 2009, 08:17

Oh yea and let me add about lob service returns, those need to be removed completely, again same thing, might as well serve in the middle, it really makes not much sense to try to hit the lines, because even if the returner was wasted as hell they would get all the serves back with the lobs...
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Re: Casablanca (Offical Topic)

Postby Candas » 09 Apr 2009, 12:11

Oh i get your drift but you seem to miss the whole point! When u lob u can win a rally from this. You do not need to hit in the middle of the court (as the same thing). I dont lob continuosly i do it in a tactical way, ie.. i lob then when i see an opening i smash or power hit to catch the other off guard and rally to win the point that way. When serving it is not impossible to get an ace if u serve well, because u are not accustomed to lobs and dont use lobs u are not in the best position to comment on it. If u hit the ball hard enough and u are out of position and u hit the ball but just about hit it then u cannot lob because the timing is not there to lob. Get my drfit?

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Re: Casablanca (Offical Topic)

Postby Candas » 09 Apr 2009, 12:16

Ps. Why do u complain? U are No.1 and win every tournament? Are u trying to make the game more dominating for u? Another interesting point i have aswell is, in every tournament i played in i come up against a top 5 in rd 2 and i have played 8 tournys roughly. Manutoo has played 3 not top 5 players so far. Luck? Or is my case being rested slowly that he only changes the game because the top players complain like u?
Think about it, u have won every tournament (unrealistic) u played in. Togtyaltai wins against every player except u, gasquet wins against every player except u and togt. Get my drift? This game has suited your needs so far and that is why now u see a change worse for u, u shout over the rooftops, and not to mention u did struggle that day and my lobs in the tournament otherwise u would have won 6-0 6-0 instead of 6-1 6-2 GET MY DRIFT??

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Re: Casablanca (Offical Topic)

Postby Candas » 09 Apr 2009, 12:27

regarding the 6-1 6-2 result u won against me in tourny instead of the customary 6-0 6-0 doesnt that say that the lesser players like me have a better chance to make it more competitive against u? Perhaps next time u will win 6-0 6-0 against me when i try lob but at least the lesser players will be more competitive and lobs do not last long and like in real life a rally can go up to a minute unlike here up to just 5-10 seconds on average. The whole point of this comment on lobs is that the lobs are now making matches more competitve and i noticed that there have been some shock results in the tournys when people have used lobs. Shall i name some results? Before it was always easy wins for the top players 6-0 6-0 but with the lobs slowly that result is going to bed and it is more competitive. I rest my case. But u do not need to worry because Manutoo will give u what u want anyways. and still no answer to why all mods are 2500+. Think of it this way, mods (2500+) + gamemaker (Mantoo) = friends, = mods (2500+ top players) have priority in what changes in the game, ie.. YOU! (rest my case?) experience other online games who are mods and not many, if any, are there mods who are top players only? Answer is simply no, shall i prove it? Shall i give u links??? Shall i name names of the 2500+ top 5 players here who are mods??? Need evidence that changes are favoured towards top players? I have it here just ask. I already proven some points so far.

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Re: Casablanca (Offical Topic)

Postby S.Williamz » 09 Apr 2009, 13:14

I have no idea about 95% what you are talking about, no offense but it's all nonsense to me. You are accusing me of all these ridiculous things and making this laughable top players vs. lesser player whatever thing in your head, frankly I don't have time for all that. I'm just a guy who enjoys this game and I don't want it to turn into a boring lobbing contest which it will turn into if everyone starts lobbing. That is why I complain.
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