Mana Games

[Vanessa Child]

so vanesa cheating is not posible,right?

You are accusing me of cheating?


And yes, its not possible that I cheat, because I don't. Have you ever played me? Does anyone else think I cheat?

[Togtdyalttai]

Nope, it's all placebo. When people suggested this was possible, I tested it. I thought I was faster, but then I used a stopwatch and discovered that it was all in my head. It's amazing how much "faster" people can feel when they think they are cheating...

so vanesa cheating is not posible,right?[/quote]

You're asking her if it's not possible to cheat, not whether she's cheating, right?

[Vanessa Child]

You're asking her if it's not possible to cheat, not whether she's cheating, right?

If this is the case then sorry for the misunderstanding victor...lol.

I don't believe it's possible. I thought it was before, but now I am pretty convinced that its only possible to cheat on your serve, as manutoo said.

[Serena Williams]

lol,i don't think you cheat vanesa sorry

[MaxPoint]

MaxPointtt, if you have a joystick/gamepad, ...

Hi Manu
I do not have joystick/gamepad or keyboard
I have mouse
I play with at mouse How can I fix it?

[manutoo]

MaxPointtt, hum, then I'm not sure, maybe it's coz u put the mouse cursor too close of ur player... if it's close, the player will move only slowly...

[CC]

ManuTOO,

I completely disagree with you. I don't change the lag option when I host (have tried it, and I have seen the issues that can happen if it is set incorrectly). Yesterday, I played someone who obviously was hacking with the lag; sometimes, the lag was 0ms, or 4ms, or 8ms, or 200ms, or even 8000ms, all during same match; took forever to get through that match. Of course, opponent did not complain about it, as he was causing the problem and must have assumed that I would retire. I'm sorry, but you are so wrong about this issue, I think. Watch some of the videos posted on YouTube about lagging. One is entitled, Halo The Art of Standbying (it is a very well-made video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO6mRjOJ6H8 ). This has nothing to do with my controller (keyboard) or whatever. The .dmo files never playback exactly as the game was played; for example, desync. errors don't display across the screen in the playback of .dmo as they do in the live game [EDIT: I was wrong...at least with one match that I just played; the desync.s do show ], and the slowness that is encountered in the live game isn't apparent in the playback of the .dmo. If I could record the actual video, as Solarisaint does for his videos, without causing lag, I would do this. I think that I will need to connect a camera to another computer to record a match, so that maybe you will believe me. I am in the IT field, but I don't know everything about gaming. However, I know that this issue is the result of cheaters, for the most part. I played a match last night or this morning with Massu, and he seems to be able to cause a desync. error at will, as I served probably 10 times before I changed my serve a bit and was "allowed" to have the serve count without a desync. error. It took a long time to get through that match, as there were errors on so many points, and most of the time, I had won the point or was about to. This happens when playing him all of the time. This may be unrelated to the lag issue, though.

If you are saying that a lag switch, standby button, firewall, or other "hack" can't possibly affect your game, then I think you are mistaken. About the ball going at normal speed toward me but my movement being slow, I will have to look at that more closely the next time that it happens. However, you can see the same effect in videos of other games, where lag cheats were used. The one using the cheat moves at what appears to be super-speed, while the others are much slower. Sometimes, when this is happening, my player's movements are so slow that I may hold down a button for 30 seconds with no response, as I wait for the ball to continue or the action to continue (this happened with the game with ping from 0ms to 8000ms); in that case, the ball wasn't continuing to move (but was frozen the same as my movement). However, the player doing this would make it so that as he served, during the service motion the action was extremely slow, such that it took up to a minute to serve the ball, but he would make the actual ball strike normal speed, so that I had very little reaction time, going from having my player move basically zero with the depressing of a button for 30 seconds to moving normally as the serve is hit (so I had to be very careful). Sure, I can play the .dmo file, but you won't see any of this, as it plays at a different speed (the serve that took 1 minute will play as if it was normal). Do you still want it?

[RichardGasquet]

Nope, it's all placebo. When people suggested this was possible, I tested it. I thought I was faster, but then I used a stopwatch and discovered that it was all in my head. It's amazing how much "faster" people can feel when they think they are cheating...

Just people's imagination lol

[Stajus]

Ok, Tog is right, but...The speed hack seems to work however.

Nope, it's all placebo. When people suggested this was possible, I tested it. I thought I was faster, but then I used a stopwatch and discovered that it was all in my head. It's amazing how much "faster" people can feel when they think they are cheating...

Yeah, you can keep telling yourself that lol. But when someone barely reaches running backhands and hits the following ball short and without pace, and then puts speed 127 and hits every single backhand on the run deep and hard, there's nothing else to be observed, is there...Now, don't type to me.

[manutoo]

CC, you can't disagree with me, I didn't argue about your comment, I just wrote a reminder about how the ping & Lag set on start of match will make the game run slowly when the ping is too high. Auto-Lag still sets a unique Lag at start of match, which is shown on the launch page and in the F4 page during the match. Sometimes this is wrongly set (if the ping is very unstable).

About your lag cheaters, I have no idea if it's true or not. I think it must be pretty annoying to play while pushing a button to create some lag all the time (that destroys all game rhythm, so these people must hate tennis at 1st, so why they would come to play TE2009 ? ), but I guess some people are stupid enough to do it, so maybe it's possible... But I'm pretty sure that there are a lot more connection troubles than cheaters...

[tati cornet]

I personally watched 1 game of Tog to check if he was cheating or not, including the check of his skills. He wasn't cheating, but he's clearly a master of positioning, and he uses very well the left/right little speed bonus...

i still don't understand what it is exactly. i suppose it's only for defender style?

[manutoo]

tati cornet, when u move slowly to the right and change direction to the left, u get a little speed bonus so u start to run to the left a bit faster than if u were not moving at 1st (and vice versa for left to right).

[S.Williamz]

I agree there's no cheating in TE...I think I have suspected cheating about 100x times in the past and each time I have been proven very wrong...so I think I finally understand to stop suspecting something fishy and just play lol.

[S.Williamz]

Ok so, I don't know how to say this without seeming totally ridiculous(I understand it's even more so because of the comment I posted just above lol, but to my defense I wasn't actually suspecting anything or anyone it just sort of came to me clearly)...

I believe the speed hack does work. Trust me, I've been very, very self critical while investigating this. It simply does work.
Firstly, why does large speeds like 150 cause unplayable desynch online if nothing is happening? To me this is a sign that something is wrong. lol If I tried something like 127 speed there was no desynch but a not huge but observable difference in speed, or lack of inertia.
Manutoo mentioned that checking the stats online you can see the speed resetting to 100, however firstly I don't see a stat for speed in the player statistics. Secondly they always show something completely different than the actual stats. For example if I had 127% speed the stats in warm up against CPU showed form being 101%. That's just one example.
I also believe that many players have tried the speed hack since it was first presented on the forum and are now running around with a small but significant bonus, without being aware it actually works necessarily.
One thing I did while trying the speed hack was to make sure that when having over 100 speed, I actually had 780 points left and not less. I did this my altering some other stat so that the points resetted to their actual amount and not the false 780 and then made it 780 points left. Don't know if this is important for the hack to work but that's what I did.

Please Manutoo check one more time this because I am really sure it works. If needed I will send you some matches to view which feature two same height players of good level moving at somewhat different speed.

[S.Williamz]

Also I don't believe that when I set the speed to 127 for example it necessarily is that exact speed online, it seem to change but still a difference in movement remains.