How should the start rankings next year be determined?

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Re: How should the start rankings next year be determined?

Postby S.Williamz » 24 Nov 2008, 03:09

TTennisfan wrote:ya better :bounce: :blackeye:
find me someone on 2nd grade who has a nice imagination like me :)


Well, I give you that. :D
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Re: How should the start rankings next year be determined?

Postby TTennisfan » 24 Nov 2008, 03:11

Thank you S.Williamz to admitt that i am smarter than me.
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Re: How should the start rankings next year be determined?

Postby Algo » 24 Nov 2008, 22:01

can we come back to the topic?
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Re: How should the start rankings next year be determined?

Postby Stefan Edberg » 24 Nov 2008, 22:40

Algo wrote:can we come back to the topic?

.......And that was.....? :wink:
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Re: How should the start rankings next year be determined?

Postby Algo » 24 Nov 2008, 22:47

lol, talking about coming back to the topic and didn't talk about the topic :blackeye:

mmm...why having 2 seasons per year?, i don't get it
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Re: How should the start rankings next year be determined?

Postby YUGIOH » 25 Nov 2008, 21:45

Hi Stuey,

Good ideas! But, I don't really see why we need to play 2 season in 1 year? :roll:
I mean what's the point of rushing throughout the season, when we can all play a nice and enjoyable organized Tennis Games that follows the real ATP calendar. :wink:
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Re: How should the start rankings next year be determined?

Postby stuey » 25 Nov 2008, 23:18

@algo, yugioh: one of the reasons of having 6 months-lasting seasons is to avoid having players who play very well, make it to top10 (or top8) and then disappear, but remain on the rankings until the end of the season.
also, we thought it would be more interesting and more dynamic this way.

but of course, this is just an idea.

anyway, if we stick to 'normal' season, then I guess entry rankings won't change at all at the beginning of the next season. our first tournaments were played in Indian Wells and Miami in March, so we would have to wait until March for people to start 'defending' their points and losing them.
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Re: How should the start rankings next year be determined?

Postby Blacky » 26 Nov 2008, 00:52

That Idea came from thought that season is too long.
We must realize that this is not RL tennis, that this is not something that will keep us here all the time. And that we must do some changes. Are we all really going to play this elbow in the next 6-7 years (6-7 seasons in old system or 12/14 in new), we have to make some dynamics that will make this game even more interesting in present.
Even thought of playing next season for 11 months, is not appealing for anyone I think. So we discussed about this month ago and came up with this idea, that has its pros and cons...so here it goes. (Of course this is still just an Idea)

So...positive things of that Idea are
- season is shorter
- season is more dynamic
- we are able to play 4 seasons in 2 years, instead of 2 season in 2 years
- we would be able to create History of Tennis Elbow tournaments quicker, that would make game even more interesting
- less number of smaller tournaments which we don't need
(that would affect rankings...ok, Imagine, we have about 50 players and about 25 small tournaments, of which only 5 counts for rankings...so its kinda stupid because in time of one year everyone will max. or almost max. points from that tournaments, so at the end of the season it would be like we didn't played them at all because every one will have them maxed) - new system will took care of that

- less affected by leaving players
- new players that show up, have a chance to get good ranking sooner, 1 whole RL year sooner
(Imagine that some good player shows up at the end of the season, in old system he must wait 1 whole year for next chance to participate on perhaps Masters just because he found out about this game little later, in new system his "waiting" time would be shortened by 2 times) - (Most likely that he'll just give up, then play over again for another year)

- we would have a chance to defend our titles, ranking points sooner
- it would be more appealing to new players who raised their skill over time


Negative things
- We wouldn't follow real ATP
- Some of the tournaments of RL tennis would be ignored
- season is shorter (if that's negative thing for someone)
- little tighter schedule

That's it, I really can't remember any other thing...

So there is one question that you must answer, are we going to be faithful to ATP and some minor tournaments, and make this game more boring and longer, because of big number of small tournaments even pointelss, or are we rather going to kick some of them out and have more dynamic tennis season?
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Re: How should the start rankings next year be determined?

Postby Algo » 26 Nov 2008, 02:24

at least for me it wouldn't be boring at all to have a year long season
i have some questions about the 2 seasons per year idea:
how many tournaments would have those 2 seasons?, they'll be the same tournaments at the two seasons or it'll follow the calendar?,
how many of them would count for the ranking?
the final ranking would be made at the end of the season or the year?, if after the year, it doesn't make sense to have two seasons a year
it'll be two "masters cup", one per season?, how many GS and masters per season?,
would be have a pre-season or something between the seasons?, cuz if we dont have it, it'll be almost the same as having one season
and the most important, for me, the points per round it's gonna change?
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Re: How should the start rankings next year be determined?

Postby stuey » 26 Nov 2008, 02:52

Algo wrote:how many tournaments would have those 2 seasons?, they'll be the same tournaments at the two seasons or it'll follow the calendar?


most likely same tournaments for each season, so we wouldn't follow the calendar.

Algo wrote:how many of them would count for the ranking?
the final ranking would be made at the end of the season or the year?, if after the year, it doesn't make sense to have two seasons a year


all of them would count for the ranking. final rankings would be made at the end of the season which means that in june(july) we would start a new season and reset race rankings.

Algo wrote:it'll be two "masters cup", one per season?, how many GS and masters per season?


most likely two masters cups, one at the end of each season. we would probably fit all 4 GS and about 6 or 7 masters in one season.

Algo wrote:would be have a pre-season or something between the seasons?, cuz if we dont have it, it'll be almost the same as having one season


this is one of the things that is yet to be finalized (if we choose this option) - the calendar. not sure yet.

Algo wrote:and the most important, for me, the points per round it's gonna change?


the points will most likely be the same as they are in the real ATP tournaments. so winning GS will now be awarded with 2000 entry points etc.
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Re: How should the start rankings next year be determined?

Postby TTennisfan » 26 Nov 2008, 02:53

it sucks... our goal is to follow RL tennis dumb :P
As I said before try to fix the current system before adding a new one (like updating the site, forums sometimes and not once/month)
We're getting an ext. of players and want to play 6 months of all big tournaments so the 100 ranked players won't be even able to enter to the main draw. my only goal here is that ur idea is really really boring :tongue3:
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Re: How should the start rankings next year be determined?

Postby Algo » 26 Nov 2008, 03:15

ok... now i'm sure im against the idea :)
if we have less tournaments per season, it could be worse if the idea was to minimize the difference between players...if you miss 3 or 4 tournaments, you're almost out... but if we have a longer season, you get 3 or 4 good tournaments and, even if you were really behind the positions you could get there again. I think is funnier and even more dinamic to have a longer season because it's a bit more "dramatic", i don't know if i explained myself well, but whatever, the point is that i don't support the 2 seasons idea :bounce: ...
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Re: How should the start rankings next year be determined?

Postby stuey » 26 Nov 2008, 03:57

uhmm.. if we were talking about having a season which lasts 6 months, wasn't it obvious that we would have less tournaments? :)

anyway, ok, that's your opinion :wink:
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Re: How should the start rankings next year be determined?

Postby Algo » 26 Nov 2008, 12:30

of course, less time, less tournaments...that's why i don't like it :roll:
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Re: How should the start rankings next year be determined?

Postby Blacky » 27 Nov 2008, 01:45

You are not seeing a big picture here...25+- weeks of small tournaments every season is too much, specially because only 5 of them are counted.

Here on elbow is situation that every good player apply to almost every tournament, soon they max their points, and then or still play every tournament which is pointless or game becomes too boring for them because they overplayed it and they or stop playing it, or stop applying for tournaments. Then what happens is, that most of the other players find their chance and max the points...and that is not what happens in RL, in RL you have hundreds of players who play those small tournaments and those points got distributed between them...but here in elbow we have about tops 30-40 players active at one moment, often even less!

Best of us (all players) will max their points in first 5-8 small tournaments!

About dynamics...Shorter season doesn't means that season is short.
Season has 6 months ...
(normal season has 10 months + masters, difference is 4 months = 18 weeks, so what we'll done with this idea is removing most of the small tournamens, which will left us 7 +-1 weeks (there will be sometimes 2 at the same week) of them during season of which 5 or less will be counted)
...that is a long time. Losing of some of the unneeded tournaments won't lose game dynamics or dramatics, it will boost it even more.

it sucks... our goal is to follow RL tennis dumb :P
As I said before try to fix the current system before adding a new one (like updating the site, forums sometimes and not once/month)
We're getting an ext. of players and want to play 6 months of all big tournaments so the 100 ranked players won't be even able to enter to the main draw.


And you, please stop giving a false information, We don't have 100 players, we have it 80 for now, and barely 30 active ones, and from that number, 15 play their matches on time (if even that much)
And let's just assume that we have 100 active players...then we can easily put 2 or even more tournaments per week, challengers or futures and that kind a stuff.

And why should our goal be to follow RL tennis, Isn't it better to create something unique that works for us instead of copying other just because we are afraid of changing things.
Following RL Tennis did not had any influence on our tournaments last season. Did we discussed about them? Did we mentioned winner or results of RL tennis at every specific tournament? Well no, barely even anyone mentioned anything about it.

my only goal here is that ur idea is really really boring :tongue3:


You see, instead of just trying and giving your best to destroy this idea, you could try to make suggestion of how we could improve it, or give some normal critical opinion with normal informations that has nothing with us throwing you down from mod spot.
This kinds of comments are pointless and won't help anyone.

PS. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to push this idea through like its only thing that is good and like it has to be done. Nope, that's not my goal at all, I'm just trying to underline and explain even more pros of it. And pls, give it some time and try to look it from different sides and angles, not just one that you think its good and only at the moment.
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