as a Puncher, would you trade the counter net jump against a loss of 10% of the shoulder height acc speed bonus ? (right, it's up to 15km/h and it'll be up to 20km/h in next Build)
adner is almost right about the 20km/h . For accelerations, PB top speed = 162km/h , Counter top speed = ~145km/h ; PB "smart" avrg speed = ~150km/h, Counter avr speed = ~136km/h (smart = not spamming accel all the time, but using them in the correct occasions)
Ap500S wrote:Manu this is ridiculous....first of all i know that i'm not a good counter player like florian, hassad ecc....but i m not too bad....
I really have to commit to win against a mediocre player (watch the dmo)....the shoots are too slow ...I played with counter style my opponent idk.
Since everybody "cries" for power baseline and for puncher, now is my turn to "cry" for the counter style ......is pathetic
Counter isn't destroyed at all...both counter and defender are still overpowered (always have been, if not Voja would accept to play me puncher vs puncher in tournaments but he refuses )...the set attached shows counter is totally fine...I have to defend during 2 times more points than Florian - tell me who the f**k is overpowered there? It's just that you and most players don't know how to use the counter style...A player of lesser defensive skills than me, using PB/puncher, would have been destroyed...Fact.
Stajus wrote:You can't play "counter" behind the baseline and expect to win easily LOL...You're supposed to come inside and attack the ball early whenever there's a chance...not just move left/right/left/right 3 metres behind the baseline...great up/down movement is essential for reaching the Top 10 level...If you're moving far behind the baseline throughout the rally, ofcourse your counter shots will not be fast enough because the opponent has too much time to defend them...
adner wrote:Which proves why counter/defender styles aren't overpowered: most people can't play as efficiently as Florian or Voja. Nerfing those styles will make them entirely unplayable for average players.
Stajus wrote:And my first post when I won 7-6 gives the same story. Win or lose, the story didn't change
Stajus wrote:The maximum potential of all styles should be roughly the same (definition of a "balanced" game)...no one cares about "average"...If Florian plays as a PB/puncher he can't do what he does - I mean he can use similar tactics but he will hit many more errors and his tactics will be a lot less efficient...
Florian wrote:Dear Stanko, since the major change of the january build (the "lag is dead version") nothing has changed to improve the counter's abilities to have an edge on anything, actually in that time in which we were playing mostly on newline and then IH, you were winning slightly more often than i did when we played each other (exos and tournies). Actually the counter's advantages have even been clearly reduced ! Since you only lost to Voja and me recently, you can still prevent yourself from admitting that i defend better than before and do less ues (and when that doesn't happen, you win like in those 2 exos on clay just before those you just posted here, when you won 6-4 and 7-6). If you were losing badly to every counter (and you can't say i'm the only one able to play counter here...) then you might be able to prove a point (like vs Voja i guess, but first you should see if he's so much overpowered on every surface, not only clay).
+ i may add that during those 2 sets you just posted, you sucked a lot on returns and missed balls, while i didn't...(that time)
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