Previsional "Tennis Elbow 4" Planning [Updated!]

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Re: Previsional "Tennis Elbow 4" Planning [Updated!]

Postby Andynator7 » 12 Jul 2020, 20:13

Hi Manutoo!

I am wondering about the state of half-volleys in the game. Half-volleys in the game seem very difficult to hit, and when you can hit them, the ball stays very high (with a normal shot) or is too much like a full slice (if the slice shot is used). It makes sense that they are difficult to hit, but right now they just feel like hitting a slow groundstroke when the half-volley is really a different, flat shot.

Have you considered making the half-volley more of a distinct shot and adding animations for it to the game? I think this addition would make transitioning to the net a lot smoother and more realistic.

I love the gameplay changes in the most recent update! I am always impressed by your attention to detail and commitment to creating a realistic simulation. Thanks for all your great work and for being so responsive to suggestions! :D
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Re: Previsional "Tennis Elbow 4" Planning [Updated!]

Postby manutoo » 13 Jul 2020, 06:12

polakis,
same : not before a few months at least.

Andynator7,
actually the half-volley is done with the safe strike : you prepare your strike, then you release the button before hitting the ball. It can't work online, so maybe I'll do a revamp of it at some point.
Of course, it'd be nice to have another animation there, but it's easier said than done... :blackeye: (in term of production ; code-wise it's not that hard)
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Re: Previsional "Tennis Elbow 4" Planning [Updated!]

Postby Fed1 » 13 Jul 2020, 15:38

Hi manu
I think there are very talented animators in the forum, I'm sure they'll be more than willing to help with animations. Do you think you can ask them for some help? I'm thinking that maybe you could make a poll on which animations to add so we can all participate?

Just to be clear, I really ADMIRE your work and the animator's. I'm just posting an idea and please don't take it the wrong way. I'm saying this in case someone says that I think that they should work for free, that they'll have do it or that you can't or won't make those animations.

As I mentioned before, it's just an idea to have as many animations as possible. I'm sure TE4 will become the best tennis simulator game in history!!

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Re: Previsional "Tennis Elbow 4" Planning [Updated!]

Postby manutoo » 15 Jul 2020, 07:41

Fed1,
1st, I have to see what I'll be able to do to improve the animations as a whole (I'm checking cheap motion capture solutions, but it's still pricey while the result is uncertain, so it's not easy to decide what to do exactly :fear: )
So once it'll have been done, it'll be easier to see what else can be achieved.
However, I'm not very comfortable asking people working for free for the game, so once again, I'd have to see how it could be done (if some animators already created some nice animations and want to provide them with the game, it's something ok with me, as we already did that for TE2013 in the past with several animators :) ).
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Re: Previsional "Tennis Elbow 4" Planning [Updated!]

Postby Fed1 » 15 Jul 2020, 18:50

Hi manu
I see your point, it made me uncomfortable to even ask, so I can only imagine this for yourself. I hope you can find a solution, event it means a delay of the game.

In another matter of things, I have a couple of points I would like to discuss with you and everyone:
1) Lately I've been playing Virtua Tennis 1 and 2 again. They're great fun games imo, and one of the reasons for that is that I can jump in and play immediately: Select the players and venue and play. Do you think we can have something like that for TE4? I mean of course about the players. Instead of having player 1 and 2 by default, be able to select the ones from the .ini file or at least a portion of them (Load all of them could be very demanding in loading times)? Also, it could be great to change their outfit in the game, rather than loading a different profile (I know they're necessary for patchs, and I love that!!) or copying the outfit code. I'm thinking about this for two reasons: Just be able to make a quick play with any player and outfit and for console players (I'm planning of having a PC and PS4 version, that's how much I like this game) to make it easier.
I'm aware that this could be done today (there are many ways: saving the players directly from the world tour, custom profiles, patchs, etc) but I think it would be great to have this out of the box.

2) Have you considered adding extra content after launch? Being a tennis games, I can only think about courts, clothes, commentaries (I didon't mention this before, but I think this is great for the game), etc. I'm sure that we with the mods we can have all that, but maybe you can create a season pass or dlc content for the game to expand the "vanilla" experience of the game.

Thanks!!
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Re: Previsional "Tennis Elbow 4" Planning [Updated!]

Postby manutoo » 16 Jul 2020, 15:29

Fed1,
1) I'll likely add a menu in the Character Sheet of the Training Club to load the players directly from the World Tour base.

I'm not sure what you mean about the change of outfit, but I guess it's from the Modding outfit, so I'll likely not put it in the base game.

2) There's no plan for now. However I'm planning to support the game for ~10 years after release, so I guess I'll add some content at some point. (I kinda hope some outfit Modders will agree to bundle some of their creations in the game :blackeye: )
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Re: Previsional "Tennis Elbow 4" Planning [Updated!]

Postby Fed1 » 16 Jul 2020, 21:54

Hi manu
Indeed I meant about being able to change outfit at selecting the player. The idea is to be able to easly select, for example, all white clothes for a wimbledon match. Anyway, it's just an idea. Regarding the content, excellent idea! I hope the Modders agree too!

Thanks and keep it up!!
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Re: Previsional "Tennis Elbow 4" Planning [Updated!]

Postby Sekir » 26 Aug 2020, 03:17

Hi, sorry for my English but I downloaded the game, have questions. Where is the talent system, player training. Payment for a coach + plane flights. Where did everything disappear from the game?
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Re: Previsional "Tennis Elbow 4" Planning [Updated!]

Postby manutoo » 26 Aug 2020, 06:19

Sekir,
as planned, all the management part has been removed ; it was from TEM2. Now, the World Tour is like TE2013.
The talent system is still there, but the talents for the management have been removed as well ; so now there are only technical talents.
At some point in the future, I hope to give the possibility to turn back on the management in TE4 for people who have bought TEM2. :)
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Re: Previsional "Tennis Elbow 4" Planning [Updated!]

Postby Sekir » 26 Aug 2020, 16:34

Thanks for the answer, I just bought both games. I will really wait for this opportunity. :applause:
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Re: Previsional "Tennis Elbow 4" Planning [Updated!]

Postby Sekir » 28 Aug 2020, 18:36

Hi manu.

Why are there only Roland Garros props in all stadiums? And after winning tournaments there are no cups? :?
Where to write on such questions? Thanks)
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Re: Previsional "Tennis Elbow 4" Planning [Updated!]

Postby manutoo » 29 Aug 2020, 04:54

Sekir,
1) I'll put the other props once I'll have the NPCs.

2) It'll be fixed in the next update, thanks to your report..! :yes:

Note : comments about the Alpha version should normally go there => topic15-31985.php .
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Re: Previsional "Tennis Elbow 4" Planning [Updated!]

Postby fabos » 02 Sep 2020, 17:24

hi manutoo,

When can we taste the next update :D
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Re: Previsional "Tennis Elbow 4" Planning [Updated!]

Postby manutoo » 03 Sep 2020, 06:41

fabos,
hopefully tomorrow. I'm trying to boost a bit the topspin efficiency and lower the winner feast right now... :blackeye:
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Re: Previsional "Tennis Elbow 4" Planning [Updated!]

Postby fabos » 03 Sep 2020, 19:30

nice manutoo :D :D
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