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Re: manuto its posible in a fair mode serve at 210 and 218 km/h

Postby Togtdyalttai » 15 Oct 2009, 05:49

manutoo wrote:Togtdyalttai, Power defines the Min/Max speed ; Consistency defines the mean in this range, and thus influence the standard -/+ deviations around this mean.


Oh. Guess my conception was wrong then. :P
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Re: manuto its posible in a fair mode serve at 210 and 218 km/h

Postby Krisztian J. » 19 Oct 2009, 15:06

today i played with "sonya" and his all service was over 220 km/h and his fastest service was 224 km/h when we played but he told me his best servie was 227 km/h loooooool and we played in fair mode :whistle:
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Re: manuto its posible in a fair mode serve at 210 and 218 km/h

Postby Srle » 02 Mar 2010, 19:09

G.Simon wrote:
Yes I am.



I've played with this same player nickname Seles in fair mode as I always host in fair mode, and that time I was hosting too.
Her services ware on that level 210kmph.
Manoo wrote in response on Stajus description of cheating with tennis.ini file that it is impossible to see over 208kmph service speed. I asked that person on chat how he can serve 210kmph he said it is normal he has 60% service power in stats. I can't have that service speed with 70% service power in fair mode, and how it is possible to have that with 60% service power as he said. Is that cheating or not. Manoo siad something abuout possibility of wrong stats with service speed but also said that it will be fixed in next build, Since then there was probably few new biulds. Maybe it is not fixed completely ?
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Re: manuto its posible in a fair mode serve at 210 and 218 km/h

Postby manutoo » 03 Mar 2010, 05:44

Srle, in the other topic, I didn't say it was impossible to go above 208km/h. It's just that it should happen very seldom.
A good way to check it's alright or not is to look the 1st serve speed average (assuming your opponent & u always use b1+b2 for 1st serve). After a few games, it should be very close of each other if you both have 70% in power & 100% in consistency.
And your opponent with 60% in serve probably had more than 780 points left so it was raised to 70% at beginning of the match.
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Re: manuto its posible in a fair mode serve at 210 and 218 km/h

Postby Srle » 03 Mar 2010, 14:29

actually I read this on that mentioned topic:

...only 2 cheats that are working now, are :
- serve power above 70% ; I won't give much details, but this needs to have a bit bad stats, so the advantage isn't big, and anyway, if your opponent's fastest serve in is faster than 208khm/129mph, u'll know about it (it's possible someone gets it without knowing it, just coz he wrongly set his skills) ; also, his serve skill in F5/F6 screen may be above 80% (which is the max in Fair Mode)...


That's why I said that you wrote above 208kmph is not possible to see in fair mode. Also about 80% as average service skill in player stats I suppose you wanted to write 90% as I see so often players with 90%, I asked you about that and you explained that actually 90% is maximum average for service ( example: (70 power + 100 const + 100 precision)/3=90).
I don't understand how it can happen to see above 208 even seldom, because as much as I understood from documentation max, service speed is as said there "mainly" depends of your service power, and it also depends of difference between service consistency and service power. In some other post I read you wrote:

..Power defines the Min/Max speed ; Consistency defines the mean in this range, and thus influence the standard -/+ deviations around this mean....

From that I understood that maximal limit of service speed is defined by service power, and achieved service speed in match is calculated with some statistic expressions and depends of difference between service consistency and service power. But if upper limit of service speed is fixed then formula couldn't make result that is above that defined value. If it happens seldom I am just wandering how that is never happened to me in more hundreds of online matches played. I've never saw my service speed above 208kmph, and that 208 is also something that I can see rarely let's say once in 8-10 matches, usually my fastest service is between 200-206. With mentioned player in first game his service ware 209, 208, 210...hard to call that seldom...

Is it possible for you too see full player stats from some match played online, one that is set by player pre match and real that is used in match (in case that player had more than 780 point left or used more points than allowed in fair mode). After connection is established does application sends some data about players stats to some server or something like that ?

Another think that I am wandering about is about the algor. used in case when someone has more points used in character sheet than allowed in fair mode (less than 780 left), in what way applications deals with that, I suppose it reduces player's service power to 70% but after that how applications decides what of his characteristics will be lowered to force 780 points left? Reduces all characteristic in proportional way or something else ?
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Re: manuto its posible in a fair mode serve at 210 and 218 km/h

Postby manutoo » 04 Mar 2010, 05:17

Sometimes the game engine tries to produce a net service, but the service doesn't touch the net ; in such case, the serve is slightly faster than the usually max possible.
But if your opponent got many serves in a row above 208km/h is kinda strange though.

You can record your matches & send them to me when u noticed something wrong. More info in this topic : topic29-2061.php .
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