Entry List: Should be visible for everyone.

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Re: Entry List: Should be visible for everyone.

Postby MarkChan » 25 Dec 2014, 05:22

I agree for the following reasons:
1. It will make the tour more realistic as the real one has an entry list too.
2. It will make tour more fair since only mods can see who queued now.
3. It will make tournaments' quality more balanced, avoiding the case that one tournament has many high-ranked players while the other one has none.
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Re: Entry List: Should be visible for everyone.

Postby MarkChan » 25 Dec 2014, 05:30

One way to solve this issue is that mods post who have queued in application thread the day before the deadline. (at least for seeded players)

Heinrich had done this for challenger tour already.
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Re: Entry List: Should be visible for everyone.

Postby Milivoj96 » 01 Jan 2015, 19:06

I agree to be visible.
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Re: Entry List: Should be visible for everyone.

Postby Zugzwang » 04 Feb 2015, 22:38

I don't get why, if here many people agree about visible entry list, it's still not used... I think it's time for a serious decision/poll :!:
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Re: Entry List: Should be visible for everyone.

Postby Milivoj96 » 18 Feb 2015, 01:39

Why everybody forgot this? Will be or not? I think its better when is visible and when i see who plays i queue or not.
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Re: Entry List: Should be visible for everyone.

Postby NESXA » 18 Feb 2015, 22:42

Visible of course. In this moment, only moderators and their friends can know who is on the list. And it is bad, because I know who use that advantage.
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Re: Entry List: Should be visible for everyone.

Postby M.Khalil Guedria » 18 Feb 2015, 23:40

Mods started to do it in the second week of the season but they stoped it for unknown reasons
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Re: Entry List: Should be visible for everyone.

Postby NESXA » 18 Feb 2015, 23:50

Manutoo,
Can you do that? If you can but if you don't know what we want, make a new poll, and give us 1 week to vote. After that you can decide. And finally do that. Please.
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Re: Entry List: Should be visible for everyone.

Postby manutoo » 19 Feb 2015, 04:56

The question is not about what players want but about what is good for the Tour and what players do.
If players start to delay their queuing to avoid players, then some will miss the time to queue, and thus the tournaments will have less players, so it'll be bad for the Tour...
Thus queues won't be visible.
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Re: Entry List: Should be visible for everyone.

Postby MarkChan » 19 Feb 2015, 05:51

manutoo wrote:The question is not about what players want but about what is good for the Tour and what players do.
If players start to delay their queuing to avoid players, then some will miss the time to queue, and thus the tournaments will have less players, so it'll be bad for the Tour...
Thus queues won't be visible.

The EXISTING reasons why the tour has less players are that
Poor RL/WO decisions by mods(and some mods do RL/WO themselves all the time)
Lack of freedom of speech(mods delete posts when players criticise certain things)
Cheaters are always protected/a long time is needed to get rid of
Poor rule(being banned for giving WO after reserve)
Not enough graphics and videos/news and interviews (that is needed to compensate for lack of game modding)
No systematic archive(cannot check the breakdown of ranking pts like Itst and the stats/titles archive is full of mistake)

In short, ppl don't get what they want and they go away. And this is what makes tour bad in terms of losing ppl.
These are the reasons I heard why some ppl are gone.
So don't put the cart before the horse.

your reason is what you speculate in the FUTURE.
You think there would be less players due to visible queue. But I would suggest that if ppl get what they want and find having visible queues interesting, they are more willing to play tour.

If you want more players to join tour, purge the existing problems brought up by players million times already instead of denying the player's demand once more...
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Re: Entry List: Should be visible for everyone.

Postby NESXA » 19 Feb 2015, 10:36

manutoo wrote:The question is not about what players want but about what is good for the Tour and what players do.
If players start to delay their queuing to avoid players, then some will miss the time to queue, and thus the tournaments will have less players, so it'll be bad for the Tour...
Thus queues won't be visible.


No no, I can't agree. Visible list is better especially because of this reason. If someone won't play with me (for example), and when he join in tournament, without motivation for play if I am in that tournament, he will be only "name" in draw. And it is very bad. If he is name in draw, in future we will see: "Lets try to make RL" before "Lets try to play"... Or "When we will make RL" before "When we will play"... Or "I am available for the next 6 hours (from 1am to 7am when peoples want to sleep)" etc... And how you can be sure that players who can see the list use that only for creating the draw, not for their choice?

"What is good for the Tour" ... What is good? Lag rule (250 delay & 5% lag ratio), or ban for players who maybe really CAN'T play after reserve? Or list which is visible only for ... players? If this is ok for you, please change lag rule to 750 delay or more because with 250 delay you can see a bit of magic, probably with 750 delay you can clearly see magic. And 5% lag ratio is not good, I think you should set to 50 or 55%.
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Re: Entry List: Should be visible for everyone.

Postby Algo » 19 Feb 2015, 14:59

MarkChan wrote:The EXISTING reasons why the tour has less players are that
Poor RL/WO decisions by mods(and some mods do RL/WO themselves all the time)
Lack of freedom of speech(mods delete posts when players criticise certain things)
Cheaters are always protected/a long time is needed to get rid of
Poor rule(being banned for giving WO after reserve)
Not enough graphics and videos/news and interviews (that is needed to compensate for lack of game modding)
No systematic archive(cannot check the breakdown of ranking pts like Itst and the stats/titles archive is full of mistake)

In short, ppl don't get what they want and they go away. And this is what makes tour bad in terms of losing ppl.
These are the reasons I heard why some ppl are gone.
So don't put the cart before the horse.

your reason is what you speculate in the FUTURE.
You think there would be less players due to visible queue. But I would suggest that if ppl get what they want and find having visible queues interesting, they are more willing to play tour.

If you want more players to join tour, purge the existing problems brought up by players million times already instead of denying the player's demand once more...


Bit of a contradiction. If you had been around long enough, you'd know what I'm saying.
It's about respecting your opponent and the tour. If a match has to be replayed, it delays it all so that won't change
Every single time we've made a mistake, we've fixed it. We are humans, and even though obvious, it's even stated in the rules :lol:

Shone: LR is still a rule, with a strict procedure to avoid abuses seen in the past. Follow it and it will be granted. Also, can we allow players to just avoid each others? Jaziri and Sela case.
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Re: Entry List: Should be visible for everyone.

Postby NESXA » 19 Feb 2015, 15:02

Sorry, but I don't understand, what about Jaziri and Sela case? And yes, if list is visible, that players will not join in that tournament if they won't to play with someone.

PS. Algo, I know that LR is still rule, but do you like to play with 250 delay and 5% lag ratio because only more then 5% lag ratio with 250 delay is "unplayable"? And only one percent less is "playable". :O
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Re: Entry List: Should be visible for everyone.

Postby Algo » 19 Feb 2015, 15:21

That's a reference. It's always actual conditions that matter.
What about it? can players avoid their matchs? I say no. Unless you aren't match fit, step in the court and play.
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Re: Entry List: Should be visible for everyone.

Postby NESXA » 19 Feb 2015, 15:33

See you on skype, this is off topic. :)
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