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Text based match v 3D match

Postby chris101 » 14 Dec 2018, 15:01

Hey is there a difficulty difference between text based match and 3D matches?
I'm finding majority of 3D matches i'm taking place in i'm losing, even to lesser ranked and skilled players while texted based matches are going as expected (on skill).
As an example the last match I played was Thomaz Bellucci at the US Open, I played 3D and lost 6-1, 6-0, and closed the match down 5-1 in the 3rd, I then reopened the game and played texted based and won in straight sets?
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Re: Text based match v 3D match

Postby manutoo » 14 Dec 2018, 15:13

Hello,

3D matches might be a bit more tricky, because an obvious flaw in your skillset might lead to a harsher handicap, but it shouldn't be that bad.

If you play with a SubBuild from December (you can see your current SubBuild in the Credits menu), then send me your saved game before that match or a similar one and I'll check what's going on. (HowTo => topic19-4589.php ).

Else, you may be facing some bad bugs that have already been fixed, so you should update the game now (if you're on Windows, Mac version will be updated soon).
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Re: Text based match v 3D match

Postby chris101 » 14 Dec 2018, 15:23

Thanks for the reply!
Game updated today, but I encountered the same issue previously about 2 weeks ago on a different saved game.
I found no issue prior to that though.
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Re: Text based match v 3D match

Postby chris101 » 15 Dec 2018, 01:18

Sorry just on this one again, it's highlighted in the serve stats.
When I play a text based match my first service ave speed is around 180 and second serve is around 160.
When I play a 3D match, even if I skip to the end the speeds are around 150, 115.
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Re: Text based match v 3D match

Postby manutoo » 15 Dec 2018, 11:04

I just did a quick check for 2 players, and the speeds don't match perfectly but they are much closer of your result (ie for 1st serves : 123km/h in 3D vs 120km/h in text, and 155 vs 150). Also, the 2nd serve speed is better in 3D than in text matches.

Maybe you had a player doing a lot of sliced serves to do serve & volley ?

Could you send me your saved game and I'll check what's going on ?
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Re: Text based match v 3D match

Postby MichaelTA » 18 Dec 2018, 22:01

I notice a big difference in 3D and Text-Based matches, as I tried to exclusively use 3D matches for a profile (skipping to important points only, but I don't think that makes any difference) and it took me almost a year and a half to qualify for a futures event for the first time (in singles), whereas I won my first futures event in singles within the first year whenever I used text-based matches exclusively. This was done on the same difficulty (master), the same player (using the same save from about week 2 of the first year), and using the same strategy to increase my stats.

I also noticed that whenever I got my serve to just over 75% in all 3 areas, my average first serve speed in a 3D match was 96mph (which is a really low speed for those stats in my opinion) compared to 110mph (which is a much more accurate speed) in the same match replayed in text-based view.
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Re: Text based match v 3D match

Postby manutoo » 19 Dec 2018, 11:50

MichaelTA,
I did a test and I got an average of ~106mph for 75% in all 3 service skills, and thus with a player having the Slice Serve Talent, which lowers a bit the average.
Still, it was a bit too low, so I checked and actually, with this Talent, the player was doing too many sliced serves. It'll be fixed for the next update.
But even without that, the average speed was a bit too low : the goal is to have ~113mph for 80% service skills. So I tuned a bit the randomization of the speed and for the next update, it'll be up by ~3mph.

If you have a player doing a lot of serve-and-volleys, he might slice a lot which will lower his service speed average. I'll tune that in the future, as it's not working well now, especially for the big servers.

If you have an easy match in text, but you lose it in 3D, I'd really need your saved game to check what's going on.
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Re: Text based match v 3D match

Postby manutoo » 11 Jan 2019, 08:25

chris101,
someone made a bug report here topic19-30658.php with the explanation to your player serve speed : his level was Junior instead of Pro, thus the lower skills ! :sweat:
It is fixed in today's build.
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Re: Text based match v 3D match

Postby chris101 » 22 Jan 2019, 23:21

Thanks for the follow up! Look forward to it :)
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