Tennis Elbow Manager 2 - Early Version Comments

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Re: Tennis Elbow Manager 2 - Early Version Comments

Postby manutoo » 28 Jul 2018, 05:44

tennisfreak93,
yes, the tennis engine will be same for TEM2 & TE4 (not the render engine, and right now it's not the TE4 gameplay).
In TEM2, you'll be watching the matches ; maybe you'll be able to play them as well but it's undecided for the moment.

You can try the demo of TE2013 and buy the full version from here : https://www.managames.com/tennis/game_en.html .

timex63,
pour l'instant, avec TEM2 on ne peut que jouer dans le Training Club, car c'est celui de TE2013.
Quand cela marchera bien en CPU vs CPU il y aura une option pour voir les matchs 3D pendant la carrière.
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Re: Tennis Elbow Manager 2 - Early Version Comments

Postby timex63 » 28 Jul 2018, 21:24

Merci Manu !! Et encore félicitations !!!
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Re: Tennis Elbow Manager 2 - Early Version Comments

Postby anaum91 » 04 Aug 2018, 18:43

Hey Manutoo, i am glad for the New update Where i Can Play with an eksiting players, but the Players has No training skills from the begining of the year. I get tired when i train an eksiting player to get their skills it takes long time so for me it is better to recuit players. In your next update, if you Can Will you give all the eksiting players some training skills, so you dont need to train Them all from the begining anaum91 :D
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Re: Tennis Elbow Manager 2 - Early Version Comments

Postby Spicer » 05 Aug 2018, 13:20

From the Dev Blog:
But it's ok. Next step will be to force the CPU to play a bit more far from the lines, so he'll do both fewer faults and fewer winners, and hopefully the balance will be back.


Couldn't that be left as a parameter in the Character Profile (e.g. Ostapenko vs Radwanska comes to mind) or possibly be even a match tactics parameter e.g. lost 1s set and a break down at the beginning of the 2nd => time to blast every ball in sight!
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Re: Tennis Elbow Manager 2 - Early Version Comments

Postby manutoo » 05 Aug 2018, 14:04

Spicer,
yes, as explained here viewtopic.php?p=254023#p254023 , I'll add a "Risk" parameter for the AI ; but right now the issue is that the CPU is using the aiming zone as the TE2013 one, thinking the ball can't go outside of it, and thus miss way more than he's planning to ; so before to add an extra parameter, I need to be sure the CPU can play with a decent default behavior 1st... :blackeye:
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Re: Tennis Elbow Manager 2 - Early Version Comments

Postby Strikeware203 » 29 Aug 2018, 00:54

Hi Manu! With each new update since you've introduced the possibility to try 3D matches I've played and noticed an improvement. However, with the latest update I can't play matches! I can do training but the game freezes when I select match. The only thing I did was raise player 2's stats to 75 in all stats and save both players to the training club (maybe that's causing the problem?) so I don't know what could be the issue :(
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Re: Tennis Elbow Manager 2 - Early Version Comments

Postby manutoo » 29 Aug 2018, 06:59

Strikeware203,
hum, it's strange... :fear:
Could you send me your Tennis.ini (or the .ini of your profile if you have create one) ? (by email or by posting it in the Forum)
I'll check what's going on.
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Re: Tennis Elbow Manager 2 - Early Version Comments

Postby MichaelTA » 02 Sep 2018, 23:54

Only started playing the new TEM2 matches with new physics, but after playing 2 matches on clay (where I kind of got destroyed :oops: ) I noticed a few things. Some of what I noticed may be due to inexperience with the new physics, but I'll still note them down anyway.

1) A lot of both mine and my opponents shots were hitting the net, which is a lot more realistic than in TE2013, but perhaps is a little too frequent now so could be toned down a little bit.

2) There were also a lot more net cord shots, which is also slightly more regular than I would expect to see in reality, but not by much.

3) Sometimes whenever I hit a shot, I couldn't move directly after hitting it. Don't know if this is a new feature you added, but it was a lot more realistic and I liked it being there after I got used to it. :applause:

4) Slicing seems to be a lot better now than what it used to be, it got reworked very well. Although a few slices that missed, really missed badly, e.g. some went to the ground before they reached the net whenever I wasn't horribly out of position (but far enough out of position to expect to miss the shot).

5) Serving was a lot more dominant now than it used to be. Returns were a lot harder to hit with acceleration shots, which is far more realistic again.

6) I couldn't find a way to turn on advanced options, so I couldn't turn on a shot counter or simulated match time. Although in TE2013 the simulated match time was usually a lot shorter than it should have been, i.e. tiebreak sets lasting less than 40 minutes, 5 setters lasting less than 3 hours, etc.

7) Could you add an option to rewind on recordings? It would be really helpful for all the times I skip past the point that want to see.

8) I hit a lob during my 1st match which the crowd applauded whenever it bounced the 1st time, like I had won the point even though my opponent still hit the next ball afterwards (but he missed into the net). It only occurred once out of about 5-10 total lobs I hit which went over my opponent's head and landed in.

9) Twice my opponent hit a slice which hit the net cord, which resulted in the ball travelling with insane backspin and actually travelling directly backwards towards the net, very unrealistically. I have one example on a recording if you want me to send it to you.

10) Whenever my opponent lobs me, I would like if my camera would zoom out a bit more so I could have a better view of the lob to judge where it will land. I know I can edit my camera angle in the settings, but that would affect my camera for every point if I were to change that, which would be very awkard to get used to.

11) I don't know if this would still apply with the new physics, but in TE2013 there would be occasions where I wanted to hit a volley and pressed a button to do so, but the game wouldn't allow me to. I'm not talking about situations where the ball would land out by a large distance, but whenever the ball would land on the line. It was frustrating to not be allowed to hit a volley whenever this happened, because sometimes it cost me the point outright. I noticed that this tended to happen (not always) whenever the ball had lots of spin on it which dragged a ball which would have landed out by a large distance to just partly on the line.
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Re: Tennis Elbow Manager 2 - Early Version Comments

Postby manutoo » 03 Sep 2018, 08:19

MichaelTA,

0) Right now the running acceleration for the human user is a bit low, because you can accelerate only in 8 directions, so you're a bit penalized against the CPU which can accelerate in any direction

1) With what Build/SubBuild did you play ? Early versions had a lot of ball ending in the nets, but now in the CPU vs CPU matches the rate seems ok

2) Yes, it's a tiny bit too much ; this one will be hard to lower down :fear:

3) It was already the case in TE2013, but only for 50-150ms ; in TEM2 now it's about 150-300ms and thus it gets much more noticeable ! :yes: It mostly depends on your strike type, the stronger it is the longer you need to recover

6) In-match, press Escape then go to Options

7) It's not possible to rewind, although I guess I could add the possibility to reload at the start of last point, game & set.

8) 9) I'll fix that once everything else will be stable enough so users will be able to send me .dmo when it occurs ; my development version already cannot play .dmo from the last released version... :blackeye:

10) I noted that down

11) This should not happen ; I'll need a .dmo as well once the game is stable


And thanks for all your feedback ! :jap:
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Re: Tennis Elbow Manager 2 - Early Version Comments

Postby obdz » 03 Sep 2018, 18:23

Hi Manutoo,

I am begginner in TEM, so never really played it before. So I have some questions:

1- Regarding money in game, how do one earn it? If the expenses of traveling and booking cost about 3000, then how do I get that if my player is not winning?
2- How does training between matches work? Because I see "junior school" between matches training which is not possible since we are in different country. Or is there no training?
3- How can I play/see matches? I've only been able to see written games and points but not the match itself.
4- How do I really improve my player?:D Okay I train him but the problem is that he keeps losing.

Thanks
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Re: Tennis Elbow Manager 2 - Early Version Comments

Postby Spicer » 03 Sep 2018, 20:48

From your statement in 2), it looks like you've chosen to coach a Junior player.
This is a new feature in TEM2 and it comes with its own peculiar training mechanism. I wouldn't recommend this route if this is your first venture in the TEM world. IMHO, it would be easier if you first chose to coach a player on the pro tour.

Regarding your 1st point, you gain money by ... winning matches and prize money

3) You have to enable devmode, but it's an experimental feature at this stage which messes up the graphic display and I wouldn't recommend it if you're new to the franchise.

4) I''m not sure yet how to do this consistently and quickly enough with a Junior player that he/she doesn't turn 18 before :)
As I said before, best to start with a Pro. In that case you can consistently begin to win matches and even maybe a tournament in your first year.
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Re: Tennis Elbow Manager 2 - Early Version Comments

Postby MichaelTA » 03 Sep 2018, 21:17

I was using the build that downloaded from the TEM2 page yesterday, v0.72
Also, whenever I am playing in a match, if I press escape and go to options, this is what is shown:

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In other words, there is no way to turn on advanced options there for me, and none of the visual, audio, misc options that were also there in TE2013.
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Re: Tennis Elbow Manager 2 - Early Version Comments

Postby manutoo » 04 Sep 2018, 14:16

obdz,
in additon to Spicer's answer :

1) You can't earn enough money till you make it big in tournaments, like in real life ; this is to show that tennis life outside the top 100 is a financial struggle for all the players out there

2) When your Junior player is traveling around, his school time is spent reading books & stuff... :blackeye:

3) Still not implemented ; to see the WIP (like the TE2013's Training Club), check here : viewtopic.php?p=254032#p254032

4) Easy modes are likely too hard for Junior players ; I just made them a bit easier in today's update


MichaelTA,
today's update should show all options in that menu.
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Re: Tennis Elbow Manager 2 - Early Version Comments

Postby MichaelTA » 04 Sep 2018, 19:32

Still not there. I reinstalled the game a few minutes ago and there is no way to turn on advanced options
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Re: Tennis Elbow Manager 2 - Early Version Comments

Postby manutoo » 04 Sep 2018, 20:02

MichaelTA,
I didn't put back the Advanced Options button ; now the InGame -> Options menu should show all options all the time ; I just checked and it worked.
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