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[PattySchnyder]

Hello everyone, I have compiled suggestions from threads posted here and gonna put them all in one topic so manu can see what improvements we want for TEM2 and if explain if he can implement them or not

- Top players choosing more realistic tournaments ( for example Federer, Nadal and Djokovic hardly ever play 250s, Serena & Venus never play Indian Wells after 2001)
- A News Section ( Winning A Tournament , An Upset , A Player Hired New Coach , Wild Cards Announcements , Players Retirements Announcement)
- Davis Cup/Fed Cup Team Nomination
- Addition Of Olympics Every 4 Years
- interaction between junior and pro tour. Like not possibility to play full schedule, getting WC for pro grand slam after winning junior, etc...
- More realistic WCs giving. Kim Clijsters her comeback in 2010. surely didn't start playing 10k, 25k and winning like zillion matches on them but she got Cincinnati, Toronto and US Open WCs. Also possibility for WC request (from player to tournament wouldn't be bad). Especailly if you were good before. Maybe there can be some variable like long run reputation and then possibilty to request/get WC based on that.
- Possibility to play after 31 and also to not have low so much long term form (cause we see that Serena Williams with 32 is better prepared than any other player on the tour). But we have examples of Na Li, Francesca Schiavone, even Daniela Hantuchova, in mens Tommy Haas, Roger Federer in 30+ to be better prepared than rest. Of course, of course...it is logical by years you are less prepared than in younger age. But it shouldn't be so big difference like it is in game. I want to say, in game it is connected strictly with player age and in real life it is connected with quality of practicing. In game it also should be like that.
- Ability to manage more than 4 players
- Financial aspect of the game. I really do not like that you can go in debt so much and play wherever you want: Like from Europe go in Asia, America, Australia...so expensive trips. That is not like that as near in reality. And your debt is just bigger and bigger. Maybe there can be some option to get credit from bank (that you have to pay), than to find sponsors and really make your schedule very smart to have to think about it. I think it would make game much competitive and interesting at start of career.
- Too many doubles players playing in singles
- Realistic doubles pairings (Venus/Serena, Bryan/Bryan, Errani/Vinci)
- Ability to start coaching career with real players
- More things to spend money on (Vacation, Cars, Houses)
- Accurate WTA Rankings after 2007
- Entry List for each tournament before the tournament begins
- Having special events for wildcards into big events (i.e the winner of US Open Wildcard Playoff and USTA National Junior Tournament get WC's into US Open)
- More Random Scoring for WTA (i.e 6-0 0-6 7-6, or 0-6 6-1 6-2, etc)
- Ability to finish matches with an injury
- 2 different groups at year end championships and win/set/game scoreboard for YEC(i.e red & blue group )
- Injury period (i.e Serena was injured in first half of 2011, Azarenka injured first half of 2014)
- Top Spin is technical thing... it cannot be changed dramatically in a week once someone learns the basic technique. Even though playing with little top spin does improve one's performance on carpet courts I don't see Nadal hitting Sampras-like flat forehands on regular basis as well as I don't see Sampras hitting those huge Nadal-like top spins on clay... It may be changed slightly but not that dramatically
- more photos of best known players
- If lose in last round of qualifying, there is a chance to be a Lucky Loser
- Correct draw size/seeds for qualifying draws
- Correct # of WC's for each tournament

Feel free to comment any more suggestions below and I will add them to this first post

[manutoo]

Hello,

a few notes :
- there's already an "off time", look here => topic11-9952.php ; if you enter them for your favorite players, send me your Players.ini and I'll incorporate your additions in the game
- WTA rankings are accurate till January 1st 2013 (for Top ~60 ; less well ranked players are never totally accurate)
- when you are in debt, you already pay interest to the bank and you can't hire specialized coaches ; it means the more in debt you are, the more money you'll lose, and the later you'll get extra coaches and thus get the benefits of their training ; a good handling of your money in the beginning of the game might be the difference between 1 or 2 extra slams won

[Anis Hew]

Hello , Well Patty Said Most Of The Important Additions That SHould Be In TEM 2! Well in Addition To That :
-The Zones System In The Davis Cup Should Be Added (African/Euope Zone , Asian Zone ) .
-An Unfinished Game Maybe Not Just For 15 Years And Also Players When They Retire Can Have Coaching Career.
-Adding Players Relations And How Players Behave In The Court (Bad Like Janowicz Or Fognini) (It Can Help In Choosing Doubles Partner)
-Adding ITF Fines And More Details Like This Can Make The Game More Rich
-Top Players Choose To Play In Another Country When In The Same Week There's A Tournament In His Country ( Like Murray Choosing To PLay Halle Not Queens And Hewitt Choosing To Play Auckland And Not Brisbane)
-In the Qualifying Of GS I Always See Alot Of Players Who Are Ranked 200+ And I Don't See Players Who Are Close From Main DraW

Well It Would Be Amazing If Thes Features Would Be In The Game And Some Errors Fixed! You Can Take Some Ideas From Football Manager Games Or Total Extreme Wrestling Games! Well The 1st Game Was Amazing But Maybe It's Time For A Revolution In The Game !
Thank You.

[Rusty96]

Here are the things I think which should be improved for TEM2:
-In TEM I did not like that in any case after 15 years the career is over, maybe adding the possibility to decided hisself when to end career, also when coaching real players
-Adding the possibility to start the career with a real player and adding the possibility to continue as a coach after the retirement of the player
-In high age not such a big decline like in TEM(as mentioned in other posts)
-In TEM the player sometimes suddenly had bad fitness at a match despite bot even having had a long match before which lead to clear losses vs much weaker players, should be fixed
-Davis Cup nomination not only based on rankings, for example if Davis Cup heros like Lleyton Hewitt,... have not the ranking they should be also nominated
-In TEM if you had played many tournaments (more than 20 a year) the stats significantly decined and you had bo chance to be a top player while with few tournaments you could win many slams...in reality many players play many tournaments but don't loss ability...it is even necessary in reality to get match practice,etc to get better

[sonfo]

Some more suggestions:

-What about a further level of difficulty? Every time I play TEM I know my player will win at least a couple of Slams and even in the regular Tennis Elbow I sometimes start extremely difficult careers that take my player close to nowhere just to have the feeling of being a journeywoman (I play WTA mostly).
-I like the idea of a junior tour but that could be quite hard to create, the same way I'd really like to be able to start a career in the 70s playing along the likes of Casals and BJK but, again, totally different era with way fewer players (i.e. way fewer tournaments)
-What about a game over situation when you are on a really high debt? Once you make it in the top 150 you should have no problem in that aspect but it would be a nice idea to have to act smartly while you try to reach that stage, even risking losing your career altogether and having to start over.
-The opportunity of playing some exhibitions? One or two pop up windows could appear at the end of every season offering your player the chance to play an exho (and receiving money for it) which, at the same time, could affect your preparation towards the next season.
-I agree with many of the suggestions made before, i.e the Olympics and the restriction of tournaments. The addition of the former might be too difficult, though.
-More realistic injuries. When the pop up window appears you should be able to choose between playing the match or forfeiting it based on the type of injury. Playing the match could risk your health and develop the injury into a more serious one that could require more rest. Maybe you can choose between getting an operation or having some rest.
-Getting tournament fees based on your ranking or on how marketable you are?
-More factors that affect your game and your career. Some players have big games but are very weak mentally. Maybe there could be more stars or something that would make you risk a better game in order to get a better mentality or else you could reach the top and then fade away à la Sprem. Once my player reaches the top 5 she rarely leaves it until the very end.
-Also, this may sound quite weird but lots of players go to college when they turn 18-20 (while they keep their amateur status), play a few tournaments a year during the Spring and Summer holidays and then they either decide to become pro or pursue other objectives. Maybe being able to remain an amateur until it's time to decide to turn pro or go to college based on your junior results (if any) and your sponsors? I said this could sound quite weird, lol.

All in all, these are just suggestions which may be unrealizable but they sound nice anyway and the game could be a really great one

[Mats]

It's a bit of a stretch, but I'm still dreaming of a multiplayer online TEM...

[Blacky]

1. Maybe you can implement some extra things we can do with money, to increase player motivation or tiredness of tennis...depending on my suggestion no.2

2. If player for example won a lot in a shorther time, maybe he could get a bit tired of tennis, thus playing weaker. This could mean making a talent of how player handles success...

3. Also, if player is in debt, to get him more stressed thus harder to get a good result, as Im sure is often the case

4. Maybe to make more futures cause traveling from Europe to USA to a futures, then back to Namibia or something, is really hard on player and financies early in carrer.
Maybe to make futures available for each continent each weak or every 2nd week.

This could also solve a problem where players below 700th place often dont play at any tournament...

5. Making a game playable as a coach after you finish carrer with made up players...until you're like 50-60 years old

6. Maybe making that surfaces have more influence on players play. For example, in 2004. Coria is playing like a God, even on Grass he gets very far. He did play good that year but not that good. There are few other players that are playing according to their fixed ranking, but its a bit too good on some surfaces where they play poorly. Like grass or Indoors...(in Coria's case)

So what Im saying, maybe keep that fixed ranking, but also we should (or you should) be able to set rating of how good player is on particular surface. That would mean him playing better on good surfaces for him and worse on others. Keeping his fixed rating intact.


I'm simulating atm TEM from 1990-2028...gonna get back with results soon. Basically I'm skipping weeks non stop withouth even playing, just looking at results.
Currently in 2015...Federer has 23 slams and is retired already
So Ill probably have few more suggestions

[Rex]

The seasons are too independent of one another. For instance. players who finished the year in the top 10 the year before will sometimes have a drastic drop in ability when the new year starts and therefore they will have an awful year and there is no explanation for this, I pretend that it is injury but that is unrealistic because the players still play every week.
I think seasons should be more connected, like maybe a guy has a great patch during a season instead of an entire year and so on.


Once the new players start being incorporated as serious slam winning threats (around 2017) the new top guys are too often serve and volleyers. Stephen Grenier, Scott Clark, Bertrand Madsen to name a few.

[Rob4590]

The seasons are too independent of one another. For instance. players who finished the year in the top 10 the year before will sometimes have a drastic drop in ability when the new year starts and therefore they will have an awful year and there is no explanation for this, I pretend that it is injury but that is unrealistic because the players still play every week.
I think seasons should be more connected, like maybe a guy has a great patch during a season instead of an entire year and so on.


Once the new players start being incorporated as serious slam winning threats (around 2017) the new top guys are too often serve and volleyers. Stephen Grenier, Scott Clark, Bertrand Madsen to name a few.

I think you should read further how the game currently works - cos both the bits you mention have no connection to what you appear to think they do.
The season's abilities are related to how well that specific player did during the real life season in question - so yes, if they had a real life injury (and therefore didn't play leading to a ranking drop) then that is reflected (not perfectly admittedly) in how they are rated for that season.

As for the 'future' players - they are totally random and different in each game (so there is no 'Scott Clark' etc in any game apart from your specific one) - so you have just seen one section of the random element. Play another future game and the top players may all be defenders - you just don't know - cos it's random. That part of the game can't be simulated accurately, so best to stck to the years up to 2014, so you have all the accurate rankings and players

[Rex]

As for the 'future' players - they are totally random and different in each game (so there is no 'Scott Clark' etc in any game apart from your specific one) - so you have just seen one section of the random element. Play another future game and the top players may all be defenders - you just don't know - cos it's random. That part of the game can't be simulated accurately, so best to stck to the years up to 2014, so you have all the accurate rankings and players[/quote]

so you are saying that if i do a different game tomorrow the champions from 2017 on will be different than the ones that I just had? Similar to football manager's regens? I actually think that is quite cool.

[Rob4590]

As for the 'future' players - they are totally random and different in each game (so there is no 'Scott Clark' etc in any game apart from your specific one) - so you have just seen one section of the random element. Play another future game and the top players may all be defenders - you just don't know - cos it's random. That part of the game can't be simulated accurately, so best to stck to the years up to 2014, so you have all the accurate rankings and players

so you are saying that if i do a different game tomorrow the champions from 2017 on will be different than the ones that I just had? Similar to football manager's regens? I actually think that is quite cool.[/quote]

Yes - obviously you will still have the younger 'real' players for a few years, but any players you haven't heard of are entirely random (regens). Trouble then is what you said previously - that because they don't have a preset ranking that they will tend to be at, their skills are random (to a degree) each year and so you are unlikely to get any dominant regen players.

[manutoo]

Actually, the future players aren't random. Rob4590 thinks so because he's a long time player, and for each new major version, I rebuilt the player bases & thus changed the future players, so between his different careers, he probably had seen different top future players...
Having real random future players in each career will probably be in TEM2. (now that the system to create them is more than mature )

[Rob4590]

Oh right - fair enough - learnt something new. How are you going to deal with the issue that was in previous versions (but maybe not the current one - as I haven't played into the future recently) where their ranking does apparently randomly jump around year by year? Or has that already been sorted?

[manutoo]

Rob4590,
if you mean the rankings of low ranked players that change a lot from one year to the next one, then no, it won't change, it's not really important anyway...

[Rob4590]

No I am talking about players who are maybe ranked 2 one year and then 50 the next and then 2 again the following year - seem(ed) totally random in past games I've done - even for the real players (in the future) - so you could have a nice rivalry with say Murray in 2016, and then he disappears totally in 2017 and then is your main rival again in 2018