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The Woes of an Endangered Baseline Attacker

Postby Vanessa Child » 31 Dec 2009, 08:38

Hi Manu. Please take some time to read this:

My style of play is quite similar to my style in real life tennis. I like to attack from the baseline, make my opponants run around, until I hit a winner. I don't rush net too often (it's just not my thing), and I'm rarely defending (at least when I'm playing alright), certainly not with heavy topspin. This isn't too rare in real life, nor in TE. However, I feel through the updates in TE, my kind are being targeted--weakened by each one. I don't think you are intending this manu, of course, but it seems to be the case.

On a medium-slow court, hitting through the court is, well, extremely difficult. My opponants get loads of time to track down my shots. They just defend, and defend, and defend, until they get lucky, or I miss, or something else happens (which is rare). On clay I understand this, but at the Australian Open, it shouldn't be like this. I know you have reduced topspin, and that's wonderful, but sometimes I just wonder how someone can get that many shots of mine back. This however is not the worst of my issues, and doesn't bother me as much anymore.

The new problem is the enhanced volleyers. Now many players have become net-rushers, and my oh my it's quite difficult to get the ball by them if they are good. Also, since you made the lob worse it seems (definitely more random errors) in the last update, lobbing them is risky, and often ineffecitve. If they are medium-sized or tall, and have some points on net reach, its nearly impossible to pass them if they are good. I feel my hard flat shots should get past them sometimes, but it happens rarely. The biggest problem people had with TE2006 was that it ended as a volleyer's game. Everyone good just came to net. Don't let this great game go down that same path.

You've created a wonderful varied game, just please make sure you remember us lowly baseline attackers every once and a while :wink: . I know there is a lot to deal with and think about, but just think about it a little. Thanks for reading, and have a happy new year :) .
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Re: The Woes of an Endangered Baseline Attacker

Postby Serena Williams » 31 Dec 2009, 09:47

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Re: The Woes of an Endangered Baseline Attacker

Postby rasoni fil. » 31 Dec 2009, 11:13

i will avoid to quote upper text cause its too huge , but i totaly agree with every word upwriten,i was noticed same thing as Vanessa since all that changes has occured, but did not want to bother Manu with my complains, cause everyone has their own wishes but this is not issue of my personal wish(regarding on version most suitable for my stiye of playing)...this is a question related to necessity that this game should be realistic as much as its possible...so i think this is good option to be reviewed...especially NET PLAYING which is significantly overrated;
Defenders has certain ,inadequant advantage,regarding to baselane attacers, and that is very unrealistic, especially on faster surfaces ... :cya:
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Re: The Woes of an Endangered Baseline Attacker

Postby Serena Williams » 31 Dec 2009, 14:41

and newline synthetic should be really faster
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Re: The Woes of an Endangered Baseline Attacker

Postby Jelena Jankovic » 31 Dec 2009, 14:44

I totally agree with Nessy...! :yes:
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Re: The Woes of an Endangered Baseline Attacker

Postby Serena Williams » 31 Dec 2009, 15:01

the other problem could be that there are simply too much power baseliners.about 97% of TE players are baseliners,there a couple of defenders(we know them well) and only one original net player(tati cornet).Here the problem is that we are used to just outpowering our opponents and who will be more sucesful out of it.this might be the reason veeryone hasa hard atime against defender and why probably they are on the top of the rankings.
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Re: The Woes of an Endangered Baseline Attacker

Postby Jelena Jankovic » 31 Dec 2009, 15:48

Yes, but it is impossible to defend what some defenders can defend... When I play Voja and we play very often, sometimes when I attack very good, he just touch the ball, even he isn't on the ball to hit it and we continue to play the same point and that is totally unbelievable and impossible... I understand that their anticipation is very good, but still that isn't the reason... :sweat:
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Re: The Woes of an Endangered Baseline Attacker

Postby Serena Williams » 31 Dec 2009, 16:04

JelenaJankovic wrote:Yes, but it is impossible to defend what some defenders can defend... When I play Voja and we play very often, sometimes when I attack very good, he just touch the ball, even he isn't on the ball to hit it and we continue to play the same point and that is totally unbelievable and impossible... I understand that their anticipation is very good, but still that isn't the reason... :sweat:

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Re: The Woes of an Endangered Baseline Attacker

Postby Jelena Jankovic » 31 Dec 2009, 16:12

viktor1212 wrote:trust me i know that feeling :P :P :P


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Re: The Woes of an Endangered Baseline Attacker

Postby manutoo » 01 Jan 2010, 12:15

did you try to use the short acceleration to pass the volleyers ?

Also, with a high lob skill, the lob will be almost same than before...
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Re: The Woes of an Endangered Baseline Attacker

Postby Tennischampion » 01 Jan 2010, 14:17

Manu,i think vanessa is totally right.i mean this game ruled by defenders and volleyers.i mean there shud be something good for others like power baseliner and punchers.
u said to do short accelerations and lobs will work.it's fine but do u think we can play perfectly them while running so fast.i mean a volleyer always comes at net and chooses places always that makes his opponent run and finishes with a winner.and while running the two:short acceleration and lobs suck a lot.they go almost 90% as errors.
about defenders its totally unrealistic that they can kick any ball.i mean i hit with 150km/h pace and the ball comes back with lot of spin on it.i mean that topspin for defenders is decreased(it's fine) but they should not even get that spin when they misshit.the topspin shud be only for best timed shots not for mishits.it becomes to diffcult for a baseliner to get a winner,if each and every ball comes with spin. i mean the extra 3 accelerations that u gave for power baseliners are going waste when we play on defenders.
And the hell is that we dont get atleast good lobs coming at the net and power baseliners cannot do anything good at the net(defenders can get some lobs right at the net).so please give us an update that gives advantage to baseliners or even punchers :fear: :yes:
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Re: The Woes of an Endangered Baseline Attacker

Postby Stajus » 01 Jan 2010, 14:22

Ok, guys, Richou is a POWER BASELINER :whistle: Also, Nadal won the Australian Open...So, perhaps this is a bit overexaggerated. I play as a power baseliner and I completely understand Zeka's sinking feeling when someone just barely reaches the ball, but Nadal defended like most of the match vs Verdasco at AO 2009 and he could win...Just to clear this up, I'm a power baseliner too...not a defender :wink: I think the last update reduced net skills some, the jump and reach at net seem to be reduced so it's not as good for netplay as it was during the WTF. Happy New Year 8-)
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Re: The Woes of an Endangered Baseline Attacker

Postby Serena Williams » 01 Jan 2010, 14:31

Stajus wrote:Ok, guys, Richou is a POWER BASELINER :whistle: Also, Nadal won the Australian Open...So, perhaps this is a bit overexaggerated. I play as a power baseliner and I completely understand Zeka's sinking feeling when someone just barely reaches the ball, but Nadal defended like most of the match vs Verdasco at AO 2009 and he could win...Just to clear this up, I'm a power baseliner too...not a defender :wink: I think the last update reduced net skills some, the jump and reach at net seem to be reduced so it's not as good for netplay as it was during the WTF. Happy New Year 8-)

whats the deal with it when he(Richou) is the only one who can play with tog,voja and rafa. :sweat: :sweat:
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Re: The Woes of an Endangered Baseline Attacker

Postby Togtdyalttai » 01 Jan 2010, 22:24

Stajus wrote:Ok, guys, Richou is a POWER BASELINER :whistle: Also, Nadal won the Australian Open...So, perhaps this is a bit overexaggerated. I play as a power baseliner and I completely understand Zeka's sinking feeling when someone just barely reaches the ball, but Nadal defended like most of the match vs Verdasco at AO 2009 and he could win...Just to clear this up, I'm a power baseliner too...not a defender :wink: I think the last update reduced net skills some, the jump and reach at net seem to be reduced so it's not as good for netplay as it was during the WTF. Happy New Year 8-)


Richou's not a power baseliner anymore. He's started coming to net a lot more.
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Re: The Woes of an Endangered Baseline Attacker

Postby Mr.Schmith » 01 Jan 2010, 22:57

i agree that it can be hard passing people at the net when u have to make a running passing shot but i hate that alot of baseliners say that we can just get everything back people like voja , tog and myself maybe if u came to the net just a little when u got us back deep then it would be an easy volley and its not as easy as it looks to be a defender just so u know xD and i still think some players can fx i have had some troubles with players like richou and JJ and theyre baseliners as i recall
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