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[S.Williamz]

*jaw drops on floor*

Let me get this right, counter skill never has affected acceleration? So essentially it serves as a big further advantage for the spin players? Lol Oh well if it has no effect on acceleration might as well make it 0.

[S.Williamz]

I see it was written in the documentation that it effects normal and spin strikes only, not acceleration. Don't know how I missed that.

Now I kind of feel silly of complaining about the counter not having effect because I never paid attention to the normal shot rallies(as they are kind of rare, except against spin users). Looks like spin users can boss me around even more now with their normal strikes. lol

[adner]

I see it was written in the documentation that it effects normal and spin strikes only, not acceleration. Don't know how I missed that.

Now I kind of feel silly of complaining about the counter not having effect because I never paid attention to the normal shot rallies(as they are kind of rare, except against spin users). Looks like spin users can boss me around even more now with their normal strikes. lol

I think that players with low counter should handle topspin and slow balls easier to balance this out.

[Krisztian J.]

this new version is terrible in singles but in doubles its good

[manutoo]

Verdasco Fan, you have to move the "C:\Program Files\Tennis Elbow 2009\Profiles\WT_Current.Sav" & "WT_Current.Ini" files within the "Default" subfolder, or the folder of your custom profile (I told u so in a topic we had a couple weeks ago).

Tennischampion, I checked & actually the Doc is outdated about the Counter Style bonus... The Counter Skill Ball Speed Bonus is same whatever the style is. The Counter style just gets a bonus to lower the difficulty of fast balls. I'll likely raise or create new Bonus for the Counter style in the near future.

Imanno, the CRC is there to help people to detect if their opponent changed their skills between 2 sets on a tournament match (there has been several problems about that in the past months).

Mr.Schmith, I doubt any slice could go to 150Km/h ... That's likely someone starting with a slice & finishing with the acceleration...

About the Counter Skill:
The counter skill mainly helps when you stand on or very near of the baseline, ie: in the Danger Zone, as stated in the ChangeLog above.

Most of times, when you stand in the Danger Zone, you'll hit the ball less strongly ; so actually, most of times, the counter skill doesn't raise your ball speed, but prevent it to lower too much.

A defender using the topspin strike standing several meters after the baseline, out of the Danger Zone, will get very little bit out of his counter skill ; in such case, at best, it gives around 3 or 4 km/h bonus at 100% in counter, compared to 0% ; before Build 47 it was 2 ou 3 km/h . And often, it'll be even 0 km/h, coz the ball speed lowers a lot several meters after the bounce.

So at the end, this skill is most useful for Counter style players playing near their baseline ; but all players will get a little speed bonus from it on their b1 strikes when standing in the Danger Zone.
Also, it can helpful in some special cases for passing shots done with the b1.

[Verdasco Fan]

It didn't work. Sorry to bother you Manu.

[Mr.Schmith]

manutoo what i meant was that if somebody hits a slice to u and dosnet bounce over the net how the hell are u soposed to hit a 150km return? not a slice thats 150 km

[manutoo]

Verdasco Fan, read here again : topic5-2975.php#p37158

[btaylor]

Manu

In this build (#47) did you tweak the CPU's first service just a l'il teeny bit?

I seem to notice that sometimes his first serve has ...I guess, a funny spin to it...something like a slice that seems to come at you fast at first, then takes a lower/slower bounce than with build #46...

At times it almost seems to change speeds, then sort of swerves away from you...

Not a problem, just making sure it's not some sort of bug...

[btaylor]

Manu

Something kind of odd with this build (#47)

When I play against the CPU on grass, with my player set to volleyer with high skills, a lot of times it's hard to get any real pace on the volleys, even with acceleration...

But when I play on any hard surface with the same skill levels set for my player and the CPU set the same (defender) as he was on the version with the grass court, most of the volleys have more pace on them and give the CPU more trouble...

On groundstrokes it's almost as if the grass court is slower than the hardcourts...
I seem to recall Santiago92 mentioning something similar some time ago, but don't remember your reply...

[manutoo]

btaylor, some CPU Players use the spin in World Tour since v1.0d (re-read the ChangeLog ).

About volleys, nothing has been changed lately. Maybe the passing shots are more low on grass...

[btaylor]

I re-read the changelog, but I just seemed to notice this particular kind of CPU service spin since build #47...but not in #46 and the previous v1.0d builds...

[jenks10s]

why are there two maria vento-kabchis??

[S.Williamz]

Some people are able to hit short volleys that are simply impossible to get. I just played a match where a player used them all the time and I did not even touch one although I anticipated it. I'm not sure how it is hit(will try to find out) but it's a short volley that just dies when it hits the ground, it's a little bit longer than the dropshot volley and just the lamest tactic I can think of. Volleys are ok when they go normally longer and you have a chance to fight it out.

[milos]

Some people are able to hit short volleys that are simply impossible to get. I just played a match where a player used them all the time and I did not even touch one although I anticipated it. I'm not sure how it is hit(will try to find out) but it's a short volley that just dies when it hits the ground, it's a little bit longer than the dropshot volley and just the lamest tactic I can think of. Volleys are ok when they go normally longer and you have a chance to fight it out.

I have to agree with you on this one. those volleys are pretty strange