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A couple suggestions

Postby SSA » 31 May 2010, 05:31

I gotta say that I find TEM a really great and addictive game, but I have noticed a couple of things I would suggest for a future version.

1. I've noticed that in Fed Cup that you play the Doubles before the reverse singles, when in real life the doubles are the last match. I presume that you are simply having the game treat it the same as Davis Cup for simplicity (ie. more code reuse), but it would be nice to have the format match real Fed Cup matches.

2. I've noticed that the game strangely seems to treat Fed Cup as being a single event as opposed to multiple events. ie. I have been able to spar with players who are actually in other Fed Cup ties.

3. I also think it should be possible to have multiple sponsorship contracts (ie. clothing, rackets, non-sports contacts, etc.) Obviously you shouldn't be able to have more than one contract for the same thing, but once a player gets very well known s/he should be able to have a non-sports sponsorship contract.

4. I believe someone else mentioned this already, but I think it would be neat to offer historical schedules (ie. the actual tournaments that were played year X) in addition to the standard default schedule. Obviously, one couldn't change between schedules once you started a game, but it would be neat to have both as an option.

5. Maybe I am missing something, but once the tournament starts there doesn't seem to be a way to drop out of the event. In real life players drop out of doubles all the time to focus on singles so I think there should be an option to drop out of doubles to focus on singles.

6. I think it would be interesting to have Hopman Cup as an option for a tournament. Obviously this would require that there be a concurrent mens and womens circuit going on in the game, but it would be an interesting addition considering that Hopman Cup has been around for quite some time.

7. Have mixed doubles as an option for the Grand Slams. Again, obviously like with the Hopman Cup idea it would require the game to have both men and women in the same game, but it might be interesting.

8. The Olympics. I know this one has already been mentioned, but I figured I would give it a plug anyways since the ATP has been giving points for the Olympics.

9. There doesn't seem to be an easy way to look at your W/L record for past years. You can see the activity and manually calculate your record, but I don't see a way to get said information at a glance.

This is definitely a unique game and probably the best $25 I paid for a game, but I just figured I would give a little feedback of what I might like to see in a future version.
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Re: A couple suggestions

Postby manutoo » 01 Jun 2010, 05:01

Hello,

1. you guess right ;)

2. I thought I corrected this bug... :sweat: Do you have the latest version ?

3. Maybe someday

4. Too much work

5. I don't think this is actually the case... Do you have a precise example of that ? :thinking:

6.7. It'll probably never have mixed doubles, coz way too much work

8. Hopefully someday

9. This one I might do it soon ; I thought I actually already did it in the Activity screen when we change the viewed year, but actually still not... :sweat:
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Re: A couple suggestions

Postby megadam » 05 Jun 2010, 18:30

Also one big improvement I would like to see is the addition of a stats screen post match to see first serve percentage, winners and errors. Would be quite nice to know to see what needs improvement
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Re: A couple suggestions

Postby Rob4590 » 06 Jun 2010, 00:09

megadam wrote:Also one big improvement I would like to see is the addition of a stats screen post match to see first serve percentage, winners and errors. Would be quite nice to know to see what needs improvement


Already in - just click the button at the bottom left of the screen when the match has finished :)
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Re: A couple suggestions

Postby SSA » 06 Jun 2010, 19:43

2. I thought I corrected this bug... Do you have the latest version ?


1.0e, which AFAIK is the latest version. It doesn't appear consistently though.

5. I don't think this is actually the case... Do you have a precise example of that ?


What a case where people drop out of doubles to concentrate on singles in a tournament in the real pro tour? Maybe I am overstating how common it is, but I can recall most notably Patrick Rafter dropping out of doubles at Wimbledon to focus on singles. The point was that it does happen and I could see a case where your player was a bit tired where you might want to simply drop doubles to get more rest time in the game to prepare for singles matches.

I just figured I would add a few more:

11. You are also missing World Team Cup on the Men's schedule. It has been around since 1978, the ATP offers points for it, and it doesn't involve mixed doubles so it might be realistic addition come version 2.0.

12. Dead rubbers in Davis Cup (ie. matches after the tie has been decided) are best of 3 not best of 5.

13. Both the ATP and the WTA have bonus pools to encourage their top players to play their top level events. Maybe that could be implemented?

14. Maybe retain the stats for YTD match stats (eg. who is leading the tour in Aces?)

FYI don't think that I am hating your game, I just wanted to contribute some ideas for future versions.
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Re: A couple suggestions

Postby Rob4590 » 07 Jun 2010, 00:17

5. I don't think this is actually the case... Do you have a precise example of that ?

What a case where people drop out of doubles to concentrate on singles in a tournament in the real pro tour? Maybe I am overstating how common it is, but I can recall most notably Patrick Rafter dropping out of doubles at Wimbledon to focus on singles. The point was that it does happen and I could see a case where your player was a bit tired where you might want to simply drop doubles to get more rest time in the game to prepare for singles matches.



They can only pull out of a match (before or during) for an injury, not just cos they want to. However, the tour isn't (in reality) going to stop say Nadal pulling out of a doubles match for an alleged 'injury', cos they want him (and Fed / Djok etc) to be fully fit for their singles - thus he has an injury one day (when his doubles is scheduled) and makes a miraculous recovery the next for the singles



11. You are also missing World Team Cup on the Men's schedule. It has been around since 1978, the ATP offers points for it, and it doesn't involve mixed doubles so it might be realistic addition come version 2.0.


No points involved at all - never have been.

12. Dead rubbers in Davis Cup (ie. matches after the tie has been decided) are best of 3 not best of 5.


Would also be nice to not HAVE to play a reverse singles match if the tie is already over. I just find that I don't care, and then my players lose to lower ranked players and destroy their confidence with the loss.
Substitutions could then also allow you to be drafted into the tie if you weren't one of the top 2 singles players for your country.


13. Both the ATP and the WTA have bonus pools to encourage their top players to play their top level events. Maybe that could be implemented?


Don't see how (for the men at least) this would affect things - if you are ranked top 50 ish then you have to play all slams and Masters Series anyway - that's 13 out of your 18 ranking events as mandatory.
Besides - once my players are at that level, money bonuses are totally irrelevant - I have millions in the bank for each of them
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Re: A couple suggestions

Postby SSA » 07 Jun 2010, 02:26

They can only pull out of a match (before or during) for an injury, not just cos they want to


It is abundantly obvious that not all of these folks were really injured. AFAIK the tour never questions the claims of the players' doctor. If the real players can doctor shop to find someone who says they are "injured," why can't our virtual players?

No points involved at all - never have been.


You are right that historically the tournament didn't have points, but it does now. Look at the ATP rankings FAQs:

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Rankings/Rankings-FAQ.aspx

World Team Cup actually gets points just like the Olympics so arguably should be part of the game as well. Understandably traditionally neither received ATP points so they don't have a lot of history as "real" ATP events, but they are real ATP events now. Like the absence of the Olympics it isn't a real big bothersome exclusion, but it would be nice to have. From the perspective of programming it I could understand the interest in avoiding it as the format isn't the same as other tournaments, but to imply it isn't an ATP event with actual ranking points isn't accurate.

Would also be nice to not HAVE to play a reverse singles match if the tie is already over. I just find that I don't care, and then my players lose to lower ranked players and destroy their confidence with the loss.
Substitutions could then also allow you to be drafted into the tie if you weren't one of the top 2 singles players for your country.


I recall someone else already mentioned this, but in real Davis Cup you announce a squad of 4 players ahead of time and you don't announce who is playing singles and doubles until shortly after the tournament. The Davis Cup captain can then do substitutions if there is injury or if they feel it is strategic to change players in the reverse singles. Historically one needed to be injured to substitute someone out for reverse singles, but after questions of Davis Cup captains trying to fake injuries the ITF decided to just make Davis Cup like most team sports where one can swap out players before the match for any reason the captain wants. One could have 2 players do all the playing, but in cases of blowouts usually 1 or both of the players not playing in the first round of singles play the dead rubbers because the top players don't care to play irrelevant matches. For obvious reasons in the game I wouldn't want to risk losing for a match that doesn't matter.

Don't see how (for the men at least) this would affect things - if you are ranked top 50 ish then you have to play all slams and Masters Series anyway - that's 13 out of your 18 ranking events as mandatory.


Probably irrelevant for the men since virtually everybody who isn't injured will play virtually every Masters Series event anyways, but for the women's tour the ranking system doesn't have as many mandatory events. Ideally no mandatory events would be back to back, but reality and the ideal don't match so some players would prefer to play less non-Grand Slam events including the top tier of tour level events.

I also just noticed that when one loses in the round robin in the season ending championships that the title streak gets reset to zero even if you end up winning the tournament. Obviously your winning streak restarts at zero, but if you win the finals you won the tournament even if you weren't perfect in round robin play.
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Re: A couple suggestions

Postby manutoo » 07 Jun 2010, 05:35

>> when one loses in the round robin in the season ending championships that the title streak gets reset to zero

It should be fixed for next update...
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Re: A couple suggestions

Postby Illepingis » 07 Jun 2010, 16:56

maybe add so you can see the stat when the match is playing not only after
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