Mana Games

[CC]

Sometimes in the World Tour matches the message about winners is wrong, such as Forehand winner x when it should read Backhand winner x. Also, sometimes the set summary reads Set 2 Summary when it should read Set 1 Summary. I haven't bothered to attach any .dmo games, but this should be easy to verify.

[manutoo]

Hello CC,

Actually, the "sometimes" bugs are the hardest to locate so a .dmo would be quite helpful ...

[CC]

Hi,

Yes. That is true. Sorry. I was somewhat mistake about the Set 2 Summary. What was happening with that is that at the end of set 1, I would hit enter to clear the summary, and apparently instead of closing that summary, the game showed the summary for set 2, which was just about to start. So, I guess maybe that is working as it should. The other issue with the forehand winner, etc., I am sure I saw, but I didn't note the game. If it happens again, I'll post the file.

There are two other issues that I noticed recently. One is that sometimes the return of serve animation is way off. I returned a serve (really I thought I had missed it), and the closest of my body parts to the ball at the moment of contact was my elbow, but it was far from the ball. I can't find the .dmo for this match, but here is a picture:



The other issue is that the old problem of the ball flying like a rocket at an extreme angle into the crowd with some slice and drop shot attempts is back. I am playing World Tour with low skills (and being creamed, thank you), and many times during the World Tour this has happened. When I finish the current match where this just happened to me, I'll post the .dmo.

Thanks.

[CC]

OK. There isn't much to see here in terms of tennis (more of how not to play tennis), but the rocket ball happens as the last point of game 4 of Set 1. Attached is the .dmo.

2010-01-11.23-14 - CC vs J.Ant 0-6 0-6.dmo

[manutoo]

Ok, it's happening at 4-0 which is the 5th game...
As u were a bit far from the net, the game handled this as a baseline shot ; so I fixed that so it'll be correctly seen as a volley shot in next update, & goes down in the net.

[CC]

ManuTOO,

I probably was wrong about the game count I guess. Hmm. I'll try to be more careful. If this is wrong, tell me, but I consider the first game in play until the scoreboard shows 1 for a player under the game count (then, game 2 has started). Sometimes, if it is the last point of a game, the replay will show the scoreboard as if the point were over, even when the replay is started at the beginning of the last point of that game. So, for example, the replay of the last point of game 1 will show on the scoreboard the game count for the winner of that point as 1, even though game 2 hasn't yet started at the beginning of the replay (the scoreboard is static in the replay).

I had another occurrence of the return of serve with basically no racket swing (quite neat, as there was a huge distance between my elbow and the ball). This happened in the attached .dmo (CC vs. S.Wie (Stefan Wiespeiner)) at Set 2, Game 4 (scoreboard will have the dominator with 3 games and the measly loser with 0), first (serve) point of play:

2010-01-14.21-38 - CC vs S.Wie 0-6 0-6.dmo

If you watch this entire match (quite horrible play by me), you will see several things that may need to be tweaked a bit (some return of serve attempts that missed but maybe should have at least been hit with the racket frame).

Another issue is that sometimes my player goes spastic with multiple swings and movements but fails to make contact. It is painful to watch, as there were many opportunities for a return, but they all failed. You can see this in the attached .dmo (CC vs V.Rom.) at the first point of game 1, Set 2 (Why didn't my player hit the lob that I tried for?):

2010-01-14.13-16 - CC vs V.Rom 0-6 2-6.dmo

Thanks

[CC]

ManuTOO,

I hope you are seeing these updates, as you haven't replied to the latest posts. Here is another example of a missed shot that I think shouldn't have been missed. I was in position to return a drop shot, but my player completely missed the ball. Since the animations don't show the player bending down, etc., and since there is usually a gap between the racket and the ball at contact, I can't tell visually why the ball was missed, so it might not be a bug. Anyway, the shot happens in CC vs. J.Zar in the last point of game 2 (score is CC 1, J.Zar 0 prior to J.Zar's winning this point). A drop shot is hit, and I am there to return it, but my player misses the ball:

2010-01-21.12-17 - CC vs J.Zar 6-3 6-4.dmo

Thanks.

[manutoo]

CC, I had read your previous message, then didn't look into the demos right away, & then forgot about it...
I looked now, so :
- no anim on return => there was a miscalculation, it'll be fixed for next update (I was taking the center of the player to check if he was close enough of the ball to hit it, instead of the racket )
- 2 missed balls => for both cases, the ball hits the ground before you reach it... If your player was hitting in front of him instead of mainly on his side, he may be able to touch the ball, but likely not put back it into play anyway...

[CC]

ManuTOO,

No problem. Thanks. It sometimes is hard to tell why a ball is missed, but I like how a return can be missed by a slight distance. Sometimes, I miss a shot but can't imagine how, and then the replay shows that I was either just a bit late on the return or barely out of reach. It is frustrating to miss by such a small margin, but I think it is more realistic this way. I guess when at net, maybe the player "jumps" more, although I have missed quite a few strkes at net also, and my player didn't jump for the return even though he was barely out of reach. I guess if the player always jumped, then there wouldn't be these missed strikes, and that wouldn't be very realistic.

[CC]

ManuTOO,

Here is another example of a missed shot that seems wrongly missed. Actually, in this .dmo, there is one instance of the shot being missed, and then later in almost the same situation, except that I am farther from the net, the same shot is attempted and is hit.

Here is the .dmo:

2010-01-24.10-48 - CC vs O.Fer 1-6 6-4 3-6.dmo

The missed shot is here:
CC vs. O.Fer 1-6, 2-0, 40-40 before this shot, 40-AD after, 0:23 on clock
I worked very hard to get this shot, and I moved into position very early for a lob.
However, the ball just continued to fall, and I missed the shot. I don't understand what I did wrongly. I was so frustrated after this that I almost lost the next game.

At 1-6, 5-4, 40-40, 0:38 time, I do basically the same thing, yet the lob I hit here makes contact and I hit a winner. At least I won this one, but why did I miss the first one?

Also, why does the CPU player never use the jumping gesture?

I think that I could have won this match, but I took a break after winning that second set; I think I forgot how to beat my opponent, and he managed to get the crucial break to serve for the match.

[CC]

ManuTOO,

I'm just checking to see if maybe you didn't notice my update on this topic. I posted a new .dmo file above with a related issue (that seems to be a bug).

Thanks

[manutoo]

CC, I just looked, it's same than before, the ball is a bit too much in front of you, you should just walk a bit further, in order to have the 2nd ball's rebound on your feet line, at worst...

[CC]

OK. Well, please see the last point of this match:

2010-02-07.23-03 - CC vs E.Mik 0-6 0-1.dmo

My player is supposed to hit the ball, not observe it from all angles and let it go by (even the "safe" or "normal" shot didn't trigger).

[manutoo]

CC, u were never in range to hit this ball...
U should have run a bit more to the left, and a bit less to the back & u were all good...

[CC]

ahhhhh....when will I learn. I guess I'll always be a tennis novice