Re: Re: Race Ranking (Singles)

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Re: Re: Race Ranking (Singles)

Postby Sabatini » 06 Nov 2014, 13:39

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Re: Re: Re: Race Ranking (Singles)

Postby The Joker » 06 Nov 2014, 19:07

I just wanna say something and ask about something:
1- the thing i wanna say : At end of the year ... racing points should be equal to ranking points... and till now.. the ranking points should be greater than the racing ones...
so knowing that i didnt play in last year WTF .. how do i have 3020 in racing and 2910 in ranking... so plz my ranking should be modified to be 3020.. same thing should happen to all bec there are some errors in ranking as i see...
2- something i wanna ask about ... When is the draw ? :D
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Re: Re: Re: Race Ranking (Singles)

Postby Heinrich von Westphalen » 06 Nov 2014, 19:16

The Joker wrote:1- the thing i wanna say : At end of the year ... racing points should be equal to ranking points... and till now.. the ranking points should be greater than the racing ones... so knowing that i didnt play in last year WTF .. how do i have 3020 in racing and 2910 in ranking... so plz my ranking should be modified to be 3020.. same thing should happen to all bec there are some errors in ranking as i see...

The TE Rankings Race To London include points earned in 2014 plus points earned at the 2013 Davis Cup final and late-season 2013 Challengers and Futures played after the 2013 TE World Tour Finals. It differs from the TE Rankings, which at any given moment ranks players according to points earned during the immediate past 52 weeks.

The Joker wrote:2- something i wanna ask about ... When is the draw ?

Tomorrow.

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Re: Re: Re: Race Ranking (Singles)

Postby NESXA » 06 Nov 2014, 19:19

For race ranking, they count ALL RESULTS from QF, SF and F on ATP 250, ATP 500, etc. But for ranking they count (ONLY) the best of 6 results on ATP 250 and ATP 500. For example: If you reach 7 semi-finals on Atp 500, you will get 180 x 7 = 1260 points for race ranking, but only 180 x 6 = 1080 for ranking.
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Re: Re: Re: Race Ranking (Singles)

Postby Algo » 06 Nov 2014, 19:28

ShoNe wrote:For race ranking, they count ALL RESULTS from QF, SF and F on ATP 250, ATP 500, etc. But for ranking they count (ONLY) the best of 6 results on ATP 250 and ATP 500.

Yes and no, he counted all points of players that reached R4 (I think) or better in at least 1 Slam, QF or better of at least 1 Masters 1000.
As a reference, that'd add up to about 136 players, if there were no player that reached those rounds in more than 1 event, that were considered so it's doubtfult there are mistakes (e.g someone who at least should be an alternate not being in the list)

Best 6 results counts towards ranking, not race. Race is just adding up points from W1 to W44 of the same year, whilst ranking counts a 52 weeks period of time starting from the respective week of last year (e.g 2013 W30 to 2014 W30).
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Re: Re: Re: Race Ranking (Singles)

Postby NESXA » 06 Nov 2014, 19:35

Algo wrote:Yes and no, he counted all points of players that reached R4 (I think) or better in Slams, QF or better of Masters 1000 and inferior categories. That's about 136 players that were considered so it's doubtfult there are mistakes (e.g someone who at least should be an alternate not being in the list)


Yes,

Race ranking:
- GS: from Round 1/16 (R4 (single) / R3 (double))
- Masters, Atp 500 and Atp 250: from QF

Ranking:
- Masters, GS and the best of 6 small tournaments
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Re: Re: Re: Race Ranking (Singles)

Postby The Joker » 06 Nov 2014, 21:22

For your info heinrich ....
Race : points won from beginning of year till now....
Ranking : points won in last 52 weeks .. or in other words : ranking = racing + points won in last year and still not defended this year...
So Race is a subset from Ranking ... so its impossible to see someone race > his ranking :)
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Re: Re: Re: Race Ranking (Singles)

Postby NESXA » 06 Nov 2014, 21:41

The Joker wrote:Ranking : points won in last 52 weeks .. or in other words : ranking = racing + points won in last year and still not defended this year...

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
I have 3540 points on double list, and on race list I have 3740. How? I can understand that. But you can't.

The Joker wrote:So Race is a subset from Ranking ... so its impossible to see someone race > his ranking :)

If you reach 7 semifinals on Atp 500, you will get 1260 points for race (7 x 180), but on ranking you can't have 1260 points. Only you can have 6 x 180 = 1080

Race ranking (1260) > Ranking (1080) - Is that still impossible? :O
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Re: Re: Re: Race Ranking (Singles)

Postby Heinrich von Westphalen » 06 Nov 2014, 21:44

The Joker wrote:For your info heinrich ....
Race : points won from beginning of year till now....
Ranking : points won in last 52 weeks .. or in other words : ranking = racing + points won in last year and still not defended this year...
So Race is a subset from Ranking ... so its impossible to see someone race > his ranking :)

I just quoted the official ATP rules. :fear:

How can a player have more points in Race Rankings than in the ATP World Ranking.

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