PLAYERS PLAYING STYLE !!!

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PLAYERS PLAYING STYLE !!!

Postby Davyd_1982 » 06 May 2021, 02:20

Hi my friends !!!

I have made a research in the last days to finding the correct playing style of every player from the top 128 of the atp ranking, and it's very difficult to find information about all the players, but I find a website with the statistic of every player that have been in the top 100, so I will update the players profile of my Tennis Elbow 2013 with the correct playing style of every player in that list to match the real life the best possible, and it can be very helpfull to modders to update their player database with the correct playing style of these players, so the game will be more real as it already is !!!

The website that I gathered all the information is = https://www.tennisprofiler.com (They have statistic information about actual atp, wta and old legends players)

Please if you think some playing style of some player of that list is wrong please post a comment on the correct playing style of that particular player or players !!!

I know that some person maybe will don't agree with some playing style of a particular player on that list have but I used the website with the correct and most precise players information avaiable, I think this list is about 99% correct !!!

This is the 6 player playing style avaiable in the Tennis Elbow 2013 =

DEFENDER (Retriever / Defensive Baseliner)
POWER BASELINER (Tempo Player)
PUNCHER (Puncher / Offensive Baseliner)
VARIED (All-Court Player)
VOLLEYER (Server / Offensive Player)
COUNTER (Retriever / Tempo Player)

Adrian Mannarino (Counter)
Albert Ramos-Vinolas (Counter)
Alejandro Davidovich Fokina (Puncher)
Alex de Minaur (Counter) (The best representation of a Counter, very fast on the court, a good retriever with a great return, good backhand and also a Tempo Player)
Alexander Bublik (Volleyer)
Alexander Zverev (PowerBaseliner) (Maybe a Puncher, but for me he is more a Tempo Player than a Puncher, beside he uses is backhand more to retrieve than attack)
Alexei Popyrin (Volleyer)
Aljaz Bedene (Puncher)
Andreas Seppi (Puncher)
Andrej Martin (Defender)
Andrey Rublev (Puncher) (The best representation of a Puncher with the forehand that is your best shot)
Andy Murray (Counter)
Arthur Rinderknech
Aslan Karatsev (Puncher) (For me he is more a Puncher than a PowerBaseliner, I think he is a very good PowerBaseliner also)
Attila Balazs (Defender)
Benjamin Bonzi
Benoit Paire (PowerBaseliner) (A regular player that for me is not so good on nothing, with only a good backhand and return, so he is more a PowerBaseliner because that)
Borna Coric (Counter)
Cameron Norrie (PowerBaseliner)
Carlos Alcaraz (Puncher)
Casper Ruud (Counter)
Christopher O'Connell
Corentin Moutet (Counter)
Cristian Garin (Puncher) (A very good retriever than punch the ball, a typicall south american clay court specialist player)
Damir Dzumhur (Counter)
Daniel Elahi Galan (Defender)
Daniel Evans (Varied)
Daniil Medvedev (PowerBaseliner) (For some of you think he is a defender, but for me he is more a PowerBaseliner (Tempo Player) than a defender player)
David Goffin (PowerBaseliner)
Denis Kudla (PowerBaseliner)
Denis Shapovalov (Puncher)
Dennis Novak (Puncher)
Diego Schwartzman (Counter) (Defender or Counter, but for me he is a perfect representation of a player that is a retriever and use he's forehand to counter in any situation)
Dominic Thiem (Puncher) (Like Stan Wawrinka, but he is a puncher that use he's one handed backhand and he's forehand to punch the ball)
Dominik Koepfer (PowerBaseliner)
Dusan Lajovic (Counter)
Egor Gerasimov (Volleyer)
Emil Ruusuvuori (PowerBaseliner)
Fabio Fognini (Counter) (For me he is a Counter, a very good retriever with a big forehand, he's not use is backhand to attack but to counter, I think it is)
Facundo Bagnis (Puncher)
Federico Coria (Defender)
Federico Delbonis (Puncher)
Feliciano Lopez (Volleyer) (For me he is a Volleyer, one of the best complete players on grass like Federer, not so good as Federer but your offensive game work on grass)
Felix Auger-Aliassime (Puncher)
Fernando Verdasco (Puncher)
Filip Krajinovic (Counter)
Frances Tiafoe (Varied)
Francisco Cerundolo (Puncher)
Gael Monfils (Defender)
Gianluca Mager (PowerBaseliner)
Gilles Simon (Counter)
Gregoire Barrere (Counter)
Grigor Dimitrov (Puncher)
Guido Pella (Counter)
Hubert Hurkacz (Varied) (He is good in all aspects of the game, slightly more a Tempo Player, but for me he is an All-Court player with good attributes at all)
Hugo Dellien (Defender)
Ilya Ivashka (Varied)
James Duckworth (Volleyer)
Jan-Lennard Struff (PowerBaseliner)
Jannik Sinner (PowerBaseliner) (Very similar to Stefanos Tsitsipas, maybe an All-Court player, but for the moment he is more a Tempo Player)
Jaume Munar (Defender)
Jeremy Chardy (Puncher)
Jiri Vesely (PowerBaseliner)
Joao Sousa (Puncher)
John Isner (Puncher) (Maybe a Volleyer but he is like Reilly Opelka, a big guy with a big server and very effective on the 1-2 after the server)
John Millman (Counter)
Jordan Thompson (Defender)
Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (Puncher)
Jozef Kovalik (Puncher)
Juan Ignacio Londero (Puncher)
Karen Khachanov (PowerBaseliner) (Maybe a Puncher, it's very difficult to determine your playing style, but for me is more a Tempo Player)
Kei Nishikori (PowerBaseliner)
Kevin Anderson (Puncher) (Big Serve, and a 1-2 Punch after the server, a typical Puncher / Offensive Baseliner)
Kyle Edmund (Varied)
Laslo Djere (Puncher)
Lloyd Harris (Puncher)
Lorenzo Musetti
Lorenzo Sonego (Puncher)
Lucas Pouille (Varied)
Mackenzie McDonald (Puncher)
Marco Cecchinato (Puncher)
Marcos Giron (Defender)
Marin Cilic (Puncher)
Marton Fucsovics (Puncher)
Matteo Berrettini (Puncher) (With one of the best forehands on the circuit, he is a Puncher)
Mikael Ymer (PowerBaseliner)
Mikhail Kukushkin (PowerBaseliner)
Milos Raonic (Puncher) (Very close to Kevin Anderson's playing style, big server and a 1-2 punch)
Miomir Kecmanovic (Counter)
Nick Kyrgios (Varied) (Very difficult to determine your playing style, but he is good in all apects of the game, not so much on retrieving but for me he is an All-Court player)
Nikoloz Basilashvili (PowerBaseliner)
Norbert Gombos
Novak Djokovic (PowerBaseliner) (Like Federer one of the best All-Court players of all time, but if you see your game he is more a Totally Complete Power Baseliner player)
Pablo Andujar (PowerBaseliner)
Pablo Carreno-Busta (Counter)
Pablo Cuevas (Puncher)
Pedro Martinez
Pedro Sousa (Puncher)
Philipp Kohlschreiber (Puncher)
Pierre-Hugues Herbert (Volleyer)
Radu Albot (Defender)
Rafael Nadal (Defender) (Yes I know that he is a Puncher in Hard Courts, but he get slightly better results retrieving at all)
Reilly Opelka (Puncher) (Maybe a Volleyer but he is like John Isner, a big guy with a big server and very effective on the 1-2 after the server)
Ricardas Berankis (PowerBaseliner)
Richard Gasquet (Varied)
Roberto Bautista-Agut (Counter)
Roberto Carballes Baena (Defender)
Roger Federer (Varied) (The most complete player that I find, he is good or very good in all playing style)
Salvatore Caruso (PowerBaseliner)
Sam Querrey (Puncher)
Sebastian Korda (PowerBaseliner)
Soonwoo Kwon (PowerBaseliner)
Stan Wawrinka (Puncher) (The best representation of a Puncher with the backhand that is your best shot)
Stefano Travaglia (Defender)
Stefanos Tsitsipas (Puncher) (Maybe a Varied (All-Court Player) very similar to Federer in some aspetcs but for me he is already a Puncher than an All-Court player)
Steve Johnson (Puncher)
Taro Daniel (PowerBaseliner)
Taylor Fritz (PowerBaseliner)
Tennys Sandgren (Varied)
Thiago Monteiro (Puncher)
Thiago Seyboth Wild (Puncher)
Tommy Paul (Puncher)
Ugo Humbert (Varied)
Vasek Pospisil (Volleyer)
Yannick Hanfmann (Varied)
Yasutaka Uchiyama (Volleyer)
Yoshihito Nishioka (Defender)
Yuichi Sugita (PowerBaseliner)

As you can see I did not find anything about the playing style of these 6 players =

Arthur Rinderknech
Benjamin Bonzi
Christopher O'Connell
Lorenzo Musetti
Norbert Gombos
Pedro Martinez

If you know the playing style of that players please post a reply to this post to complete that list !!!

Fell free to comment anything about that list and if you want you can expand this list to top 150 or top 200 players if you have the statistical information or knowledge of the playing style of the other players !!!
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Re: PLAYERS PLAYING STYLE !!!

Postby Burned » 06 May 2021, 09:46

I've known that website for a while but I'm glad someone took advantage of this to create this list. I've tried to create that list but by trying it ingame I thought that it would need some more empirical testings.

That list is good overall but I'd say I don't agree with everything and that's the point because we can now have some debate.
I think powerbaseliner in TE isn't only about tempo players but punchers as well according to that website.
A powerbaseliner TE is someone that always attacks you from the back of the court. No mention of whether the player feels more confortable with the forehand of backhand.
For instance, I think Rublev is not a puncher in TE because he almost never comes to net to net to finish points off : he'd much rather keep attacking you from the back of the court until you get overwhelmed.
Second example, Benoit Paire pretty much often comes to the net, does serve and volley and tries to reduce the rallies length. Puncher or varied in TE is much more appropriate in my opinion.
Eventually, PowerBaseliners and Punchers in TE are only distinguished by how likely they finish the point at the net but their baseline game is pretty much the same.
A PowerBaseliner on TE can be a good player with both the forehand and the backand, unlike in TennisProfiler.

So I think you can't have any sort of connection that would work everytime between TennisProfiler.fr and TE because their playing styles are not built the same way. What distinguishes styles in TE is not the same as what distinguishes styles in the website. You wouldn't be able to assign mechanically styles for ATP players depending of whether they're good with their forehand, backhand or return. The styles definitions aren't the same.
And that is true especially with counter playing style. In TE nobody has ever said that counter TE players are better with their backhand and return. Of course it's true in real life though. But now maybe you know what I mean.
And as we're talking about Tennis Profiler playing styles, you'll see that many clay court specialists are a mix between retrievers and punchers (according to Tennis Profiler). It's because they mainly retrieve and make points with the forehand. But they don't all have the same balance between those too.

With TEM2 / TE4, you get 3 more styles that help define the real styles. I think a lot of players can find themselves on those new playing styles because they define different mix of offense / defense that fit well the current state of the tour with the surface getting more uniform.
Another crucial point is the coaching on court you can access on TEM2 / TE4 that helps distinguish how specifically the player behaves on court. And that a major breakthrough in assigning appropriate behavior for players.

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Re: PLAYERS PLAYING STYLE !!!

Postby SamModder » 06 May 2021, 14:53

Agree with the comment above from Burned.

And also if you played TE enough and watch ATP tennis regularly these days, you will know that almost 90% of player styles on the main tour these days are either Defender or PowerBaseliner. Any other style comes to the net wayyyy too often and is therefore very much unrealistic. Only exceptions will be guys like Herbert, Paire, Federer, F. Lopez, maybe Bublik etc...

Guys like De Minaur, Mannarino and many others that you listed as Counter for example play much more realistic as "Defender" but with the right stat for NetPresence.

You can trust me as I have simulated many World Tour matches by now :) You can try it out by yourself and run a match with those Counter and Puncher styles and you will see that the result won't be realistic at all, and you will more likely witness what's more similar to a match in the 90s/beginning of 2000s. Fortunately I was able to get a much better simulation experience in my mod by slowing down the courts to match real life, lower most player NetPresence stats and assigning the right playing style (which unfortunately as I said these days is either PB or Defender).
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Re: PLAYERS PLAYING STYLE !!!

Postby Fed1 » 06 May 2021, 16:44

It's amazing to see how much WORK the community puts into this game, I'm speechless. The base TE2013 is already incredible, but with all the work behind the curtains it's just a different level.

I can already see all of this implemented on TE4, it will become the ultimate tennis game!

Davyd_1982, just wanted to say thank you for your hard work and all the community that adds value on a daily basis.
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Re: PLAYERS PLAYING STYLE !!!

Postby manutoo » 07 May 2021, 08:15

Fed1,
nice list ! :)

Burned,
very well put..! :yes:

And just for a reminder, in TE, the style defines the global strategy (or mindset) of the player, and not his abilities as these are already defined by his skills.

SamModder,
IIRC, TE4 should have fixed that net rush ratio and at some point, you'll be able to define it manually for each player if you want very precise control.
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