Mana Games

[Thomas]

Federer passing shot BH DTL on the run youtube.com/watch?v=Hq51hKuJ8LQ&t=659s
Andreev passing shot BH DTL on the run youtu.be/Hq51hKuJ8LQ?feature=shared
Federer winner short accel on the run: youtu.be/Hq51hKuJ8LQ?feature=shared&t=820

I've the feeling we can't hit those shots in TE4. Is this a result of an engine limitation when it comes to special acceleration moves, like a run-crossed short acceleration or a classic accel down-the-line shot? Or perhaps I'm mistaken?

Even with speed and muscle tone both set to 100%, it's still impossible to match the kind of mobility Federer and Andreev show in this video. Maybe it's due to inertia when changing direction? I did find something that helps, though: using 20% speed, 80%+ muscle tone, and using a the minus boost footwork setting. It gives a feel that's much closer to their mobility, but shouldn't this be the default?

[Thomas]

Here's another crazy speed from both players (court view): /youtu.be/Hq51hKuJ8LQ?feature=shared&t=1043
It looks like there's almost no inertia for Federer when he stops running.. It's like he start running again instantly, which you cannot do without the boost on in TE4.

Another quick run from Andreev: youtu.be/Hq51hKuJ8LQ?feature=shared&t=753
And the passing from Andreev I didn't include before (DTL passing on the run): youtu.be/Hq51hKuJ8LQ?feature=shared&t=799

[Thomas]

Also worth mentioning: Federer catching a dropshot from nowhere youtu.be/Hq51hKuJ8LQ?feature=shared&t=1195. TE4 characters are not as light when it comes to running forward. For the record I use the experimental running setting.

[Thomas]

Last one: here we can see the quality of Federer split steps and the lack of inertia and super quick transition from backward to forward run: youtu.be/Hq51hKuJ8LQ?feature=shared&t=1369
If I'm not wrong there's no split steps in game but it would be a great addition, like a small jump anim that triggers a slight boost to initiate the run in the direction you want to. It's perhaps already in game with what you call the "Minus boost"?

[Thomas]

Must watch : one of the craziest return you will ever see, impossible to hit in TE4 due to the restrictions on cross accel & inertia = youtu.be/_EHsnSVzviM?feature=shared&t=163

[manutoo]

Hello,

1) yes, due to how the controls work, we'll never have perfectly realistic hits on the run in the game

2) From what I've seen, the players in TE4 are about as fast as on that video, but I should check frame by frame to be 100% sure it's close enough. One important thing to have in mind is to take into account where the ball lands : if it's 1 or 2m from the sideline, it means it ends up much closer to the player.

3) You can catch a dropshot like that in TE4 : Fed was farther than the service line when he hit it, it wasn't that hard to reach it

4) Back inertia in TE4 is very similar to the pause done with that splitstep.

5) You likely can do this return in TE4, but you'll need a bit of luck...

[Thomas]

Hey Manu thanks for your answer and watching the videos. Perhaps these videos can inspire you somehow, Federer footwork is so great to watch at its peak!

Just an idea about crossed short accelerations: why not allowing players to 'tap' the short accel shot button like we always do with normal shots in the run. If the player has like +5 or +10 in precision compared to power, it would have a good probability to land in?

[manutoo]

1) I hope I'll manage to do the new movement animations and thus it would look closer to Federer (and any professional tennis player).

2) You can currently do that with the short accel, but indeed, you'll have a much bigger chance for it to end in the net. If it was not the case, I'm afraid it'd be an overpowered strike...