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[anrox335]

Does anyone use this shot regularly? If so, in which situations is this shot appropriate? Can this be used to push opponents back in clay courts?

[manutoo]

Hello,

it's very effective if your opponent is hugging the net (or just a tad behind) and you have enough time to prepare it.

If it's too effective when your opponent is at the baseline, don't let me know, otherwise I'll nerf it...

[anrox335]

I kind of use it as a moonball to neutralize the opponent as in giving myself time to get back in position, especially in clay courts.

[m3dim]

I'm rather successful in both BH & FH aggressive lobs, especially on the run. I have the windows button set as aggressive shot, so its all down to timing. Usually I press windows + down at the same time, but it depends on how well you time it. Always aim across your opponents playing hand, makes it harder to smash...

[Gusbaldo]

This discussion is interesting.

As anrox335 said, that shot is valid as a moonball, but it would also be good to have the possibility of achieving a high deep topspin shot (higher than what the game currently determines when executing a topspin from the baseline).

So, what I'm looking for instead of a moonball is:
I want to make a point inverting on my drive and playing a high ball to my opponent's backhand. This is where I can't execute that deep, high shot with more topspin. I understand that the amount of topspin the player has must influence it and that it is also more effective on clay. But tactically, it is a shot that can be used to put pressure on the opponent's backhand and push him back.

I hope I have explained it well.

[manutoo]

Gusbaldo,
with 100% in your Topspin (and even below), you can do topspin strikes that bounce at 2m high (or a bit more) on clay (at least in the original game, I don't know what they did in the XKT Mod) ; I think it's high enough.

[anrox335]

I want to make a point inverting on my drive and playing a high ball to my opponent's backhand. This is where I can't execute that deep, high shot with more topspin. I understand that the amount of topspin the player has must influence it and that it is also more effective on clay. But tactically, it is a shot that can be used to put pressure on the opponent's backhand and push him back.

Looks like you want to play against prime Federer as Nadal. His high balls against Federer's backhand were brutal. Such bad memories from the 2009 AO final.

[Jira]

Gusbaldo,
with 100% in your Topspin (and even below), you can do topspin strikes that bounce at 2m high (or a bit more) on clay (at least in the original game, I don't know what they did in the XKT Mod) ; I think it's high enough.

Yes agree 100%, clay is very very very unrealistic at medium and high levels in online with the topspin pushing, i don't think we need more tools to keep infinite rallies going than what we already have lmao.

[Gusbaldo]

Gusbaldo,
with 100% in your Topspin (and even below), you can do topspin strikes that bounce at 2m high (or a bit more) on clay (at least in the original game, I don't know what they did in the XKT Mod) ; I think it's high enough.

I know. I just think it's a shot that can be achieved with technique no matter whether the player hits at 100% or less with topspin. I mean, any player who has a flatter shot (or less topspin) should be able to do it, realistically speaking. But it's alright anyway, I can manage it.

[Gusbaldo]

Yes agree 100%, clay is very very very unrealistic at medium and high levels in online with the topspin pushing, i don't think we need more tools to keep infinite rallies going than what we already have lmao.

In real life, tactically, the idea is not to make the rally infinite (although this may happen at lower levels or among beginners), but rather to achieve depth and height so that you can force your opponent back with the pressure of the ball, leaving a short shot that can enter the court and attack the net.

It's true that the bounce on clay is strange.

[anrox335]

In real life, tactically, the idea is not to make the rally infinite (although this may happen at lower levels or among beginners), but rather to achieve depth and height so that you can force your opponent back with the pressure of the ball, leaving a short shot that can enter the court and attack the net.

It's true that the bounce on clay is strange.

This is why I feel there should be a deep top spin secret shot, similar to the sideways spin and short slice. The fact that it would be a secret shot would also make it more skill-based and prone to errors. The combination of depth and height can be used to force position-based mistakes from the opponent and thus shorten the rally, especially if he is not standing that deep behind the baseline. The height will be nerfed in non-clay courts, making this a weak topspin there, which can be easily put away but will induce position-based errors on clay courts.