TE2013 is more realistic than TE4 ?

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TE2013 is more realistic than TE4 ?

Postby wilddog79 » 14 Mar 2022, 22:43

Hello, a long time ago that I haven't posted in the forum and I would like to post here with all respect.

When I started to play TE2013 and then I changed to TE4 I could see the difference between one version and other one as any other person, but after all I ask why reason TE2013 is closer of tennis match's reality (real simulation), and TE4 as an arcade version, or maybe the question made of other way it would say, why TE2013 changed drastically in gameplay to what it's TE4 currently.
Note: I hope you can understand what I mean with the examples that I mention, will it be maybe a kind of setting that change TE4 and let it as TE2013 in relation to the gameplay (real simulation vs arcade version).

I hope your answer.

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Re: TE2013 is more realistic than TE4 ?

Postby manutoo » 15 Mar 2022, 10:07

Hello,

First, don't hijack topic that aren't related to your question. (so I moved your post in its own topic)

After, overall TE4 is much more realistic than TE2013. You didn't write any example, so what is wrong for you with TE4..? :)
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Re: TE2013 is more realistic than TE4 ?

Postby wilddog79 » 15 Mar 2022, 14:17

It's a sensation in relation with the gameplay, for example in TE2013 when I made a first service with strength and perfectly sent after for the rival was impossible give back correctly. When I try to make the same in TE4, most of the times the rival give back my service or this one has never the enough strength, this is the point and other ones that I refer, how can I solve this situation?

What I try to explain it's with the current gameplay in TE4, I feel that there is not naturalness, service, movements, as I do felt with TE2013, it's for it that I tell my appreciation with TE2013 (real simulation) and TE4 (arcade version).

In the past I have played other tennis games as Supertennis (Nintendo Console), Roland Garros 2009 PC version, Roland Garros 2013 PS2, between others ones. I can say TE2013 and TE4 are obviously far in superiority compared with the examples that mentioned before.

What I try to make is a constructive criticism, not a destructive comment, it's only my point view of according to my experience in games with this genre in the past and the present.

Note: I think this time I explained correctly.
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Re: TE2013 is more realistic than TE4 ?

Postby knich » 16 Mar 2022, 04:34

Manutoo...I think what he is saying is that TE2013 was more challenging. I tend to agree. I am playing Master level 5 with a junior player and am dominating the challenger tour. I have not started playing top 100 players so maybe that will change. But I dominated junior tour and thought once I turned pro I would struggle some in futures and then challenger. I started at junior level skill and kept increasing level as matches were too easy to win. I turned pro right at age 17. I won my first futures tournament winning each match basically 6-0, 6-0. I kept increasing the opponent's level to master level and am doing same with WC to challenger. I am in quarterfinals now and haven't been tested. There should be more of a challenge as I increase my level. Also...I am seeing CPU players on challenger tour who still can't serve faster than 160km (my serve is as much as 230km) and have very weak ground strokes. I would expect those players ranked 200-300 would have better skills. Now I am playing 80s era so not sure if the ratings are different for present day. I think more tweaking is necessary to rival the competitiveness of TE2013.

TE4 is a great game while still in beta. It just needs more tweaking.
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Re: TE2013 is more realistic than TE4 ?

Postby manutoo » 16 Mar 2022, 11:42

wilddog79,
actually, in TE2013, one of the recurring complaints was that the CPU could return cannonball on 200km/h serve. This happens now very seldomly on TE4, with the CPU often doing big mistake on return against such a kind of serve, so I'm a bit puzzled you're experiencing the opposite... :scratch:
In what difficulty level are you playing in TE2013 & TE4 ?

knich,
he actually wrote the opposite... :P
I'm aware that once we get acclimated to the changes in TE4, the game is easier than TE2013. At some point, I hope to have the time to play enough TE4 to get a feeling how to fix that situation elegantly (ie: not making it even harder for newcomers). If you need more difficulty, you still have the Incredible level that was just buffed in the last couple of months (IIRC)... :blackeye:
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Re: TE2013 is more realistic than TE4 ?

Postby Burned » 16 Mar 2022, 13:45

Hello,

Just a few words, having played TE2013, TEM2 and TE4 for many years now. Whats is written below is only my point of view to take it as a feedback.

Overall, the game has become more and more realistic. And when I say "realistic", I mean the gameplay and the animations are closer to what we get when watching a match on TV.
About the gameplay, in TE2013, the rallies lasted too long, you could easily get a bunch of 50-shots rallies in a match because the players run too fast. So the return was unrealistic and the rallies were unrealistic as well. More over, you could almost never get a ball in the net (unforced error) throughout a match in TE2013, the ball had to pass the net no matter what happened in the rally which is fixed now.
The animations, especially the volley anims look a lot more like the real ones. Of course, they still lack a bit of pace in my opinion, but it's better regarding the animations so the volley looks more realistic overall. Plus, the overhead movement is now really close to real movement and you don't get 50% of "backhand overhead" which wasn't quite realistic.
I could spend hours typing down all the changes...

Of course, the game still needs some work, the process isn't final yet. The modding part needs to be spread, it's still not wide-spread through the forum currently even if a patch just came out yesterday. The serves could get some more variations (especially clay court kick serve out wide and stuff...)

Those were a bit of my feelings about how realistic the game has become in the recent years.

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Re: TE2013 is more realistic than TE4 ?

Postby knich » 16 Mar 2022, 23:04

manutoo wrote:
knich,
he actually wrote the opposite... :P
I'm aware that once we get acclimated to the changes in TE4, the game is easier than TE2013. At some point, I hope to have the time to play enough TE4 to get a feeling how to fix that situation elegantly (ie: not making it even harder for newcomers). If you need more difficulty, you still have the Incredible level that was just buffed in the last couple of months (IIRC)... :blackeye:


Ha! I understand the need for newcomers to learn. I recall that pro was supposed to be closest to real life tennis level. And I just think it is not there at pro level. In TE2013 it felt like that to me. I am sure Incredible level is just that. :)
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Re: TE2013 is more realistic than TE4 ?

Postby manutoo » 17 Mar 2022, 11:15

knich,
up to Master-10, the CPU doesn't get unrealistically too strong. And in TE4, the CPU should still be decently realistic at the incredible level, as it's not a nearly impassable wall like in TE2013... :blackeye: (and thus, it's less hard to beat, but it should still be a good challenge)

EDIT:
One alternative would be to switch to the Elite controls, if not already done.
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Re: TE2013 is more realistic than TE4 ?

Postby knich » 17 Mar 2022, 17:35

I have been using simulation as I prefer simulation. I am not as good as many on these forums that is why I was surprised how well I was doing on the Master level. At Master level 5 with higher ranked CPU players it is getting more competitive. :)
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