2nd serve return

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2nd serve return

Postby cb7990 » 14 Jun 2012, 23:49

Since the new updates have occurred I'm finding it even harder to hold service games and I am losing matches against oppontents that I would normally have beaten. The main reason is when the 2nd serve is put in play it is constantly being punished, you don't even have time to react at all, it all happens so fast. I have tried serving out wide and to the body but the player just moves and whacks the ball back and if I try and add pace to the serve I double fault a lot. I don't understand why this is happening as all of my serving skills are 95% + so don't think this area should be as weak. I was just wondering whether anyone had any solutions to this problem. Any different and affective serving techniques that I could use, really getting fed up now as constantly being broken all of the time. Would really like someones help. Thanks
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Re: 2nd serve return

Postby Queengis » 15 Jun 2012, 00:44

Return of serve is ridiculous everywhere now.
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Re: 2nd serve return

Postby manutoo » 15 Jun 2012, 04:09

Hello,

is it Online ? or against the CPU ?
In both cases, you should put spin in your 2nd serve, usually topspin on slow surface & slice on fast surface, or you can also do an American twist ( = push up then down).
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Re: 2nd serve return

Postby cb7990 » 15 Jun 2012, 13:09

It is against the CPU on world tour, it is completely ridiculous now, I don't mind players having returning winners as I do have some myself but for my opponent to have 30+ against me in a match is just ridiculous, always on the back foot and constantly trying to save break points and then it is impossible at times to break my opponent back as they always come up with big first serves or aces when they face break point. I will give your suggestions a go, but something seriously needs to be done, this is not realistic tennis.
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Re: 2nd serve return

Postby manutoo » 16 Jun 2012, 05:14

If you're still with Build 88, you should update to Build 89 ; it lowers the inertia after your serve, thus giving you more time to intercept your opponent's return.
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Re: 2nd serve return

Postby MarkChan » 10 Jul 2012, 11:17

manutoo wrote:If you're still with Build 88, you should update to Build 89 ; it lowers the inertia after your serve, thus giving you more time to intercept your opponent's return.


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Re: 2nd serve return

Postby manutoo » 11 Jul 2012, 05:16

MarkChan,
it's the version of the game ; you can see the ChangeLog related to each version here : topic15-7450.php .
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Re: 2nd serve return

Postby BallBasher » 11 Jul 2012, 15:41

The CPU return of serve is still incredibly unrealistic. Serve and Volley is extremely difficult to pull off against the CPU and I find that it is in fact easier to approach the net on a second serve kicker than a flat first serve. I'm not complaining that I get beaten, I play on Master-10 and I don't have any problem when playing from the baseline. However, the current CPU promotes a more defensive style of play on serve because their returns are so incredibly powerful and accurate, even on lower difficulties like Pro-10. Their needs to be a serious precision and consistency malus on returning 130+ mph serves for the CPU, because not even Djokovic, who's easily the best returner in real life, manages this consistently. It isn't the stats of the CPU in question either, I played Gulbis (who had mediocre stats) and Narayanaswamy (who had awesome stats) in succession and both had ridiculous returns. Could you look at this for the next build Manutoo? The CPU is for the most part excellent, better than all of the big commercial tennis games I've played ( Top Spin 3&4, Smash Court Tennis e.t.c) but this is a real bugbear for me with this game.

This is slightly OT, but the only other niggle I have with the CPU is the number of mishits they seem to make, most of which trickle over the net into a surprise winner or a difficult volley. This adds to the volleying problem because for some reason you can't put away mishit floaters like RL and there's no half-volley in the game either. Mishits should be more often errors or easy putaways, at the moment they are actually advantageous for the CPU.
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Re: 2nd serve return

Postby manutoo » 12 Jul 2012, 05:15

BallBasher,
to S&V, you're better using spin serve, either slice, topspin or twisted. The ball will be both slower, which will give you more time to reach the net, and slightly harder to return.
In next Build, CPU will be slightly less good on return, overall.
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