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[Mahmut]

Hey, manuto i have a question, suggestion regarding normal strike speeds. What are they based on? I checked the max normal strike speeds on FH and BH. Correct me if the following numbers are wrong.

On free mode i find max FH normal strike as 122 kmh BH as 119 kmh. On realistic mode it is 119kmh for FH and 116 for BH. I find normal strike forehand max speed low. In real life data's about average forehand and backhand speeds are not exactly the same meaning as normal strike in TE4. Because i know that average shot includes defending shots,slices aswell as acceleration shots. But i assume this is reflecting to normal strike speed so they are based on that. In real life average forehand speed is 125kmh(78mph) and for some players it is up to 130kmh. (Mostly they are ao stats but i checked few more).

Compared to FH, Backhand strike speed quite high in the game imo. Because it is more than average backhand speed. Which is 111-112 kmh probably in real life could be less aswell. There are even some matches where average fh and bh shared(Like IW 2019 Federer Thiem) some atp article.

Yeah i know there are slices included aswell as defensive shots but i still believe the gap between Forehand and Backhand normal strikes in the game is quite low. While Forehand is less compared to real life, backhand is more than real life averages. I believe either Forehand(normal strike) should get some buff or backhand should decreased. Could be like 125 kmh max FH on free mode instead of 122 kmh. 122 kmh for realistic mode instead of 119. I think gap should be higher What do you think?

Note: I read your dev blog. My numbers are based on 100 skill points on FH and BH.

[manutoo]

Hello,

there, people say it's too fast : topic15-34757.php ...

To do a comparison between real life & the game, you need the median speed stat instead of the average speed which is too dependent on the slice & acceleration speeds & rates.

Thus said, I think in the game the base rally speed can often be a tad under the real speed ; this is to balance the game, so it's not too easy to make a winner without using the acceleration (but it's still possible).

[Mahmut]

I also think backhand is kind of fast or somewhat easy to use. I imagine some people meant about acceleration shots being fast not for normal strikes i think. Because like you said there is little winner chance without acceleration unless it's a return:(

I understand game dynamics are not the same with real life and there are many other factors. But while i think forehand median speed in game is low. I more focus on the gap between them. Contrary to FH, backhand median speed,normal strike speed looks higher than real life standarts. It's not like both are under the standarts. And for realistic mode, online play it is under the 120 kmh with max skill points on FH.

By the way i don't want normal strike FH to hit winners all of a sudden and it wont. Just want it to be more effective or more to force players into difficult positions and mostly i think it is noticeably lower and not as realistic to me in the game specially if we compared to BH.

[KINGBARBOZA]

I also think backhand is kind of fast or somewhat easy to use. I imagine some people meant about acceleration shots being fast not for normal strikes i think. Because like you said there is little winner chance without acceleration unless it's a return:(

I understand game dynamics are not the same with real life and there are many other factors. But while i think forehand median speed in game is low. I more focus on the gap between them. Contrary to FH, backhand median speed,normal strike speed looks higher than real life standarts. It's not like both are under the standarts. And for realistic mode, online play it is under the 120 kmh with max skill points on FH.

By the way i don't want normal strike FH to hit winners all of a sudden and it wont. Just want it to be more effective or more to force players into difficult positions and mostly i think it is noticeably lower and not as realistic to me in the game specially if we compared to BH.

Wouldn't this just create an awful forehand/backhand unbalance where backhand is terrible and forehand is OP? It would just result in stupid points of people trying to sprint around every backhand to hit a forehand.

[Mahmut]

Didn't understand what you meant? How will this make FH OP and BH terrible? I suggested either buff for FH or nerf for BH. Not for both together. I already think Backhand is OP.

Do you think they are balanced right now? Did you read my first post? I said FH max speed is 122 kmh for free mode. Suggested for like +3. Don't think this will make FH OP rather will make more balanced to me. Forehand is a better shot in reality. In game not as much imo.

Other than FH normal strike, don't know the exact numbers for short acceleration but i hit sometimes from 120 to 124 kmh(without bonuses probably) with it which is super low, almost same as max FH normal strike. Probably same speed for BH short acceleration aswell.

I think you guys should give opinion as a top players.

[manutoo]

I think KINGBARBOZA is right on this one : the FH is already globally superior to the BH, especially for the acceleration speed, so the tennis spirit is respected, even if the exact characteristics of both sides are not totally realistic.

In TE, it's much easier than in real life to send the ball where you want on left/right, so if the BH were to be crippled, then the game could quickly become an unending battle of BH where turning around your BH to do a FH would be the base to take the upper hand, much more than in real life.

[Mahmut]

I was not talking about Acceleration shots. Of course you didn't need to change them. They are already good enogh. But Manutoo don't you think short acceleration FH is low? For me FH normal strike too but i get what you mean but specially short acceleration for me it's much lower than real life. That's why rally length is high to me on clay specially.

[manutoo]

Mahmut,
the Short Acceleration efficiency is likely not too far from where it should be. The main issue is maybe that the speed handicap is too big when not used in perfect conditions. It's possible to reach ~140km/h with it on clay, though, with 90% Power on the FH (or 100% + Realistic Mode).

[manutoo]

Mahmut,
I forgot to tell you : on the June 9th update, I raised a bit the normal & topspin strike speed because after checking, there were a lot of strikes under 115km/h.

[Mahmut]

Thanks manuto. I saw the update but didn't played last month. Only few sets lately and it is better now. Didn't tried enough but also nice update on short acc.