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Haven't figure out how to serve yet...

Postby obdz » 21 Oct 2017, 14:27

Hi,

I can do the normal serve. But the serve that requires additional button, slice serve for example, it ends either very slow for a first serve or out. I want to know when should press the up or down button. Is it b3+up+right together? Or should push up first then b3+right? Or is it the other way around?

Also, kick serve with the same problem, up+down, are they after or before or at the same time?

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Re: Haven't figure out how to serve yet...

Postby manutoo » 22 Oct 2017, 08:06

Hello,

putting spin in your serve will lower its speed, especially on a full power serve, so it's better to use them on 2nd serve, or if you need to do a slower 1st serve to serve & volley.

If by "very slow", you really mean "very slow" (ie: 120km/h), it may you release the button before hitting the ball.

Also, you shouldn't press up (or down) too early ; the exact best time depends of your chosen serve animation, so try different times. With the serve #8, the best time is a bit before throwing the ball.

You can't press up & down at the same time (it wouldn't work on a gamepad ;) ).
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Re: Haven't figure out how to serve yet...

Postby obdz » 28 Jan 2018, 22:08

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fofFYc-obTI

This is slice serve. In game, it is (b1+b2) + up + (left or right).
This is the serve that I'ma tryin' to achieve but with no avail. How can I succeed every-time? Maybe it succeed once with high luck, but how can I make every-time?
Should I start with acceleration+direction, then after a while I press up. Or is it the opposite?

Also, what are the best stats to achieve such a serve?

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Re: Haven't figure out how to serve yet...

Postby manutoo » 29 Jan 2018, 09:10

Slice serve works better with only B1.

Only push up during the whole preparation ( + left or right).

If it doesn't work, it may because your keyboard doesn't handle pressing too much keys at the same time ; try to change the direction from the arrow keys to the numpad keys.
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Re: Haven't figure out how to serve yet...

Postby sharpbyte » 29 Jan 2018, 13:36

I've only started to play recently, but I have no trouble serving aces with the slice serve (in future tournaments in the first year of my career on pro-10 difficulty - my serving skills are about 60% now, but I think you can serve a lot of aces after reaching 40% already). I've served 23 aces against a very slow player recently in a 6-0 6-1 match, and my average is about 10 per match, depending on my own form and my opponent. (Big, tall guys with high speed seem to be better at reaching good serves, although I could be imagining this...). I generally hit at least 1 ace in every service game, usually more.

Since there are no indicators, it's purely based on timing, and apparently, different people go about this differently. My way is to use the top of the net as an indicator.

First I press and hold the accelerated shot button (b1+b2), and I keep holding it all the way, not releasing it at all until the serve is finished. Then I wait for my player to throw the ball in the air, and once the ball goes past the top of the net (still on its way up), I press and hold up+left at the same time. I wait until the ball reaches its highest point, starts falling back, and release up+left just before it reaches the top of the net again, on its way down. The reason I'm using only left is because my player is right-handed, therefore his slice serve will spin further left, making it harder to reach for the opposing player. (On the other hand, slice serves are about 10 km/h slower than normal ones.) It doesn't matter which direction I'm serving from, I can hit aces from both sides.

It works the same way for a kick serve (down+direction), but I've never hit an ace that way. (Haven't tried too hard though, so it could be possible.) I can be useful however, to mix things up occasionally, I found that the AI is prone to make mistakes if you do something unexpected. (Once again, I don't have stats to back this up, but it certainly feels that way, or maybe I'm just seeing things...) :)

Hitting an ace without the slice works similarly, you obviously don't have to press and hold up, only the direction - the main difference is that because there is no spin added, you have to hold the direction button slightly longer for the serve to go wide enough and hit the line. (Either start pressing and holding before the ball reaches the top of the net on its way up, or release after it reaches the top of the net on its way down - practice it a bit, and you'll find the perfect timing.)

edit: I forgot to add something to clarify this further - I hold up+direction for slightly less than a second (I'm only guessing, but it should be approx. 0.6-0.8s), and I only release these buttons, b1+b2 button I keep holding!!! Also, using the top of the net as an indicator might not work for you if you have a different camera setting or a different serve animation!!! (I'm using default.)
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Re: Haven't figure out how to serve yet...

Postby obdz » 29 Jan 2018, 16:29

sharpbyte

thanks for elaborating. I think kick serve is up then down, that's the way I do it.
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Re: Haven't figure out how to serve yet...

Postby obdz » 29 Jan 2018, 16:31

manutoo

b1 is good for slice, but not as good as (b1+b2) for ace slice.
well I want to understand how the accuracy works in serves, since there is no indicator. that's all.

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Re: Haven't figure out how to serve yet...

Postby manutoo » 30 Jan 2018, 09:49

obdz,
up then down is called a twisted serve, IIRC.
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Re: Haven't figure out how to serve yet...

Postby obdz » 01 Feb 2018, 18:24

@manutoo I recall that twist serve is the same thing as kick serve; that's b1+up > b1+down+direction. However, b1+down+direction is only top spin serve. Which is different than kick/twist serve.
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