Kick serve issue

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Kick serve issue

Postby Algo » 10 Feb 2015, 03:16

Is it me that sucks returning or could there be a problem that makes a lefty kick serve to the right, in the deuce side (i.e to a leftys backhand or righty forehand) just too overpowered (i.e too many aces)

Happening throughout the match so specific points are kinda blurry and didn't check before, sorry.
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Re: Kick serve issue

Postby manutoo » 10 Feb 2015, 04:56

Hello,

what serve ? B1+B2, B1 or B2 ?
Considering the trajectory, it shouldn't give much aces, but it can be hard to correctly position to reach it. Find the point(s) I have to look if you want to check in details ! ;)
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Re: Kick serve issue

Postby Algo » 10 Feb 2015, 16:03

3rd and 5th point of the first game for example. That's happening all over the match. Then on 30--30 2nd game, etc.

I kinda feel like I'm well positioned but the ball just go pass me, as if I missed it in the Y axis
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Re: Kick serve issue

Postby manutoo » 11 Feb 2015, 07:35

Ok, this is what I call a topspin serve (although kick is used by some other people). For me the kick serve is the topspin + slice (also called American Twist).

So here the problem is that the bounce is much higher than the average serve, but you play without the Danger Zone, and thus you can't evaluate fast enough the bounce height, which leads to the visual illusion that the ball is actually coming closer to you than it's really is.
In other words : 1 meter after the bounce, if the ball was ~30cm high, then you'd be correctly positioned, but actually it's ~50cm high and when you realize it, once the ball traveled several more meters, then that it's too late. 1 meter after the bounce, you still don't have enough visual clue to be sure if the ball is 30 or 50cm high (coz no stereoscopic view like in real life). Note: actual measurements may be different, I put these numbers just to make the example more clear.

Only solution (to my knowledge) = Danger Zone...
Possible alternate: focus intensively on the trajectory before the bounce, so you may be aware if it's a topspin serve and try to correct your reaction accordingly.

EDIT:
difference in height would be mean difference in depth, and thus difference in width once the ball reaches you (it's easier to understand what I'm talking about if you're good in trigonometry and/or have a very good spatial representation in your brain :blackeye: )
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