Combining keys with mouse ; aiming sensitivity issue

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Combining keys with mouse ; aiming sensitivity issue

Postby Yasin Ozkan » 16 Jun 2014, 19:51

Hi Manutoo!

How are you ?
I wanted to ask you if it is possible to use the keyboard and mouse controls at the same time ?
Because the keyboard is good for running, but really slow for aiming, and the mouse is very good for aiming (just what I was looking for) but kinda weird for running. It's also hard to hit short strikes with mouse.

It would be perfect if you could combine those 2. Running with keyboard and aiming, shooting with mouse. Using keyboard (up, down) for other strikes while aiming with mouse, ect..

I've also noticed, when I select "visual cursor" to "off", the mouse sensitivity becomes very slow and then the sensitivity option doesn't seem to work.

looking foreward for your answer.
Thanks!
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Re: Combining keys.

Postby manutoo » 17 Jun 2014, 03:38

Hello,

aiming speed for mouse is exactly same than keyboard/gamepad. Check it by turning on the aiming preview, and you'll see it works in the same way than other kinds of controller.

When the visual cursor is off, the mouse is seen like a gamepad, thus you have to keep moving left/right all the time to keep the aiming moving (which is kinda impossible to do, thus the addition of the cursor mode ;) ).
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Re: Combining keys.

Postby Yasin Ozkan » 17 Jun 2014, 21:46

lol why did you add something that is impossible ? :D

İve already done some testing with aiming vision and it feels like the mouse is much faster that the keyboard. Anyway it was just a suggestion thanks.
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Re: Combining keys.

Postby manutoo » 18 Jun 2014, 04:21

A bit of mouse support was better than none at all, and it was good enough to beat low CPU levels ; of course, for competing online or against high level CPU, it was totally useless... :P

For the sensitivity, it's really only a feeling, you can time with a stopwatch if you don't believe me ! ;)
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Re: Combining keys.

Postby Yasin Ozkan » 20 Jun 2014, 23:53

You're right, its the same speed.

However, I feel like the speed is kinda slow, is it possible to add a sensitivity ? Like "aimspeed" or something.

This would be very usefull, especially when you want to change direction at last second if you anticipate opponent movement. This happens in real tennis alot. Some of other players also talked about this.

Thanks.
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Re: Combining keys.

Postby manutoo » 21 Jun 2014, 04:01

Letting people choose their aiming sensibility would bring a big balance problem.
1- people able to handle bigger sensibility would be able to do better aiming when they're late on the ball, thus gaining a substantial advantage on the players with the base sensibility
2- right now, some of the difficulty of aiming come from the different sensitivity according your distance to the net ; the sensitivity at the net can't really be raised anymore (it's not possible to aim correctly with more than 250ms Delay, and with 200ms Delay, it's already hard enough), thus the sensibility setting would only change the lower sensibility, not the max one, thus bringing a more homogeneous aiming, making the game easier with more balls near the lines and thus making the players using this setting even stronger
1+2 = every top player will have to play with top sensibility or won't be a top player anymore = new game.
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Re: Combining keys.

Postby Yasin Ozkan » 22 Jun 2014, 20:31

I have to disagree, even though I understand you.

Every game has an aiming sensitivity, whether its mouse or joystick or even keyboard. You just have to choose whats right for you.

Every setting has its advantage and its disadvantage, for example:
Imagine I made my sensitivity faster, I have less chance in precision thus more balls will go out. I have aimed faster yes, but there is still time needed for charging, that's why ball would go out or something.

You just have to find the right settings for yourself, just like you're trying to find the right stats for your player, right ? It's the same thing. So on the contrary, it would not create unbalancedness.

I do suggest you should implement this in the later updates :-)
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Re: Combining keys.

Postby manutoo » 23 Jun 2014, 03:54

No, as explained above, it'd not create any disadvantage, but it'd create 2 advantages.
Maybe at very 1st, you'd do more faults, but once you'd have gotten used to the new sensibility, you'd do less faults while aiming closers to the lines in average, for the reasons detailed above.
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Re: Combining keys.

Postby Yasin Ozkan » 23 Jun 2014, 22:18

Then every player should use the best sensitivity settings, like the best camera settings, and the best player stats, and the best ball size, ect... It's the same concept.
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Re: Combining keys.

Postby manutoo » 24 Jun 2014, 03:31

That's what I wrote above. That's why the best sensitivity will stay as it is now.
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Re: Combining keys.

Postby Yasin Ozkan » 24 Jun 2014, 11:46

It's not the best sensitivity, it's your opinion.
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Re: Combining keys.

Postby manutoo » 25 Jun 2014, 04:10

It's not my opinion, it's a pun... :sweat:
If not grammatically incorrect, my previous sentence sounds at least very strange, coz "the best" usually doesn't change. The correct sentence should have been : "That's why the sensitivity will stay as it is now". So that was a word play with an awful lot of layers in it. I won't explain them all, but the 1st layer was just referring to what I've said earlier by re-taking your own expression... :aureola:
And if you don't understand what I'm talking about, just ignore it, no need to argue or anything... ;)
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