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TE Irrealistic defenders& Servers

Postby SPC » 21 Oct 2013, 07:33

Ok Manutoo, well yes SPC only posts here to complain.

Since i saw no response or whatsover in the Suggestions topic i opened this.

There are two gaps in the game that are making it not enjoyable and unrealistic for me at least, although i know some would agree with me on this..

1) the first one is the effectiveness of defending by running back and forth in the court...

Here are the few examples

New Sample about the irreal defense....

No comments on this one..
http://vimeo.com/77345172

Running around back and forth to defend.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAH1-mu53rQ

Defending from the back of the court (if you make a drop shot, they can get it too)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnkRE9_I1sw

Trying to get a great return of serve.. almost got it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A4d8hMUVq8

Running in circles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZkVu3D-oR8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzkeWvkgqc4

ITST running in circles back and forth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCxP5xEJA70

You either need to adjust the speed moving backwards or the dropshots to be better? i am not sure, but its not logical to see that kind of play.

2)The second problem is how easy is to serve a second serve with B1 pressed and how high the percentages in are.
Sample
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHi5O_D2SDk

Despite missing 2 first serves, the guy played all of the points with a first serve, pace wise speaking.

This is unrealistic, you must be doublefaulting a lot more if you throw a second serve with B1 stroke..

Well take care i hope you can take a closer look on this a find some fix.
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Re: TE Irrealistic defenders& Servers

Postby testo » 21 Oct 2013, 08:06

i totally agree with you ... some players are able to catch all shots, from dropshots to corner acc or followed by a volley in the opposite corner

it's just impossible

But as i have already said, it's due to a too slow rebound : the ball takes too much time to rebound and get down. You can compare in parallel with a real match on tv, this is the biggest difference ! and that's why some players far away from the baseline can catch all the balls...
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Re: TE Irrealistic defenders& Servers

Postby manutoo » 22 Oct 2013, 06:42

SPC,
1) for next update, I'll do some test to slightly lower the run acceleration when starting to move backward

2) => "Private video", cannot watch.
Anyway, currently, I'm thinking about lowering the 2nd serve B1+B2 success % by 5%, and B1 one by 3%, to simulate the stress ; I'm still not decided, though
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Re: TE Irrealistic defenders& Servers

Postby adner » 22 Oct 2013, 11:02

Maybe lower it only for styles other than defenders? After all they are meant to be defending well.
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Re: TE Irrealistic defenders& Servers

Postby testo » 22 Oct 2013, 12:02

adner wrote:Maybe lower it only for styles other than defenders? After all they are meant to be defending well.


very good idea !!
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Re: TE Irrealistic defenders& Servers

Postby Heinrich von Westphalen » 22 Oct 2013, 12:10

Defending against top ranked player is currently hard enough ...

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Re: TE Irrealistic defenders& Servers

Postby SPC » 22 Oct 2013, 14:51

manutoo wrote:SPC,
1) for next update, I'll do some test to slightly lower the run acceleration when starting to move backward

2) => "Private video", cannot watch.
Anyway, currently, I'm thinking about lowering the 2nd serve B1+B2 success % by 5%, and B1 one by 3%, to simulate the stress ; I'm still not decided, though

Hi Manutoo, thanks a million.

Would be great if those two are impplemented :bounce:
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Re: TE Irrealistic defenders& Servers

Postby SPC » 22 Oct 2013, 14:54

adner wrote:Maybe lower it only for styles other than defenders? After all they are meant to be defending well.

You are meant to defend well, but not to defend in that way.
I have no problems if people run side to side (moving diagonally) and are quick to get balls, but to find that its better to run backwards first and then to the side to defend its what makes it unrealistic and unpleasing to the eye.

Plus also frustating enough is that you can hit a dropshot against someone playing that style and they do no harm to the players using that style.
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Re: TE Irrealistic defenders& Servers

Postby Algo » 03 Nov 2013, 04:46

anything you were to do to fix this, is really urgent.
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Re: TE Irrealistic defenders& Servers

Postby manutoo » 03 Nov 2013, 05:05

I'll probably do a test during the off season (ie: end of November / beginning of December).
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Re: TE Irrealistic defenders& Servers

Postby Algo » 03 Nov 2013, 05:11

that was a fast answer, and it's quite a good time to try what I'd say could be a game changing update (or so I hope).
Will be waiting.
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Re: TE Irrealistic defenders& Servers

Postby n 201 » 06 Nov 2013, 09:41

Manutoo, the second serve with B1 or B1+B2 is way too unrealistic....I do very less doublefaults and even lesser doublefaults than when i use b2+side slice serve. I think b2+ side slice serve should be more precise than B1 or B1+B2 serves....This is something unrealistic :annoyed:
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Re: TE Irrealistic defenders& Servers

Postby liuqing » 09 Nov 2013, 05:14

If you say that . i must say you should change the auto positioning in the net . you must play several good shots can you do a perfect pass through..
do you think is it real ?
And the defend way does not meant something.
you can find other way to do winners such as up+left/right+b1+b2(if he really do that way he will be hard to get the ball). It is really easy for some good players to get a winner.
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Re: TE Irrealistic defenders& Servers

Postby n 201 » 09 Nov 2013, 08:10

liuqing wrote:If you say that . i must say you should change the auto positioning in the net . you must play several good shots can you do a perfect pass through..
do you think is it real ?
And the defend way does not meant something.
you can find other way to do winners such as up+left/right+b1+b2(if he really do that way he will be hard to get the ball). It is really easy for some good players to get a winner.

i think net positioning is fine....u should try using short acceleration to get an easy winner against volleyers.... its actually very easy....Remember use SHORT acceleration not regular acceleration i.e., b1+b2+up+side arrow not just b1+b2 :D hope i helped u :wink:
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Re: TE Irrealistic defenders& Servers

Postby Heinrich von Westphalen » 09 Nov 2013, 09:44

n 201 wrote:... to get an easy winner against volleyers.... its actually very easy....

You should play versus Markizo, Yassinee or Nadalesque to see how easy it is ... :unsure: ... tongue-in-cheek.

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