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Achieving max groundstroke speed

Postby Bata » 19 Jun 2013, 13:49

As far as I can tell the max groundstroke speed in TE is 101 mph or 162 kmh. The only way I've been able to achieve those groundstroke speeds is to have my style set to Power Baseliner or Puncher and the topspin stat set very low, or with Defender style and no topspin, and even then I must have a high bouncing ball way behind the baseline to hit.

I was wondering if this was the same for everyone. I'd really prefer to play with much more topspin but still be able to achieve 100 mph forehands when I have the right ball to hit. Has anyone achieved these groundstroke speeds with a high topspin setting, or with the defender style and medium spin? Some of the pros who hit with the most topspin, such as Nadal and Verdasco, also regularly achieve speeds of over 100 mph/161 kmh.
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Re: Achieving max groundstroke speed

Postby teisinho » 19 Jun 2013, 18:12

I think it would be nice to have a risk shot so any playuer would be able to stroke at max speed.
But this shot should be veryvery riksy, i mean in terms of odds: very likely to send lot of balls to the net or strking the ball with the edge of the racket you know., but sometimes hit an amazing powerfull winner :mrgreen:
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Re: Achieving max groundstroke speed

Postby Yasin Ozkan » 24 Jun 2013, 16:54

I agree with teisinho, I was planning to create a post about it. Lets see what Manuto says.
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Re: Achieving max groundstroke speed

Postby manutoo » 25 Jun 2013, 05:12

Top Spin + Very high acceleration speed = unbeatable player.
(Top spin alone already equals very hard to beat player).
TE is a game before all, it needs to be balanced so people can use different styles ; it brings more variety ; else we'd have only Nadals & Djokos everywhere...

Super risky shot equals either :
- luck based game = no interest => play flip a coin instead, you'll have the same fun
- high skilled game = only a few people are able to do it & enjoy it = no interest for 95% of the players
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Re: Achieving max groundstroke speed

Postby teisinho » 25 Jun 2013, 18:23

manutoo wrote:Super risky shot equals either :
- luck based game = no interest => play flip a coin instead, you'll have the same fun
- high skilled game = only a few people are able to do it & enjoy it = no interest for 95% of the players


haha flip coin is 50-50.
Risk shot should be like 5% if you are in a good position, maybe 2% if you are striking in an orange position and like 1% in an uncomfortable-impossible situation.
Its just an idea to include those amazing impossible passing or fantastic service returns or just a very powerfull stroke to the middle.. and at the same time adding to the game big mistakes.. 90% of missing is a lot you can hit the ball way too long or wide or to the net , and maybe even like i said before hitting the ball with the edge of the racket.
I think its something very interesting and not stupid at all. There are moments you should be able to take high risks and at the moment its not possible to do it.
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Re: Achieving max groundstroke speed

Postby Bata » 25 Jun 2013, 18:46

Why not just make a risk shot extremely high risk, like Teisinho said, with a very low success rate, and make it very stamina draining? For instance maybe a risk shot drains 75% of your stamina bar and only available when your stamina bar is at least at that level? I mean, TE is supposed to be very realistic, isn't it? The fact of the matter is there are many, many pros that hit with a lot of topspin and also clobber the ball.

Only Nadals and Djokos? Have you watched pro tennis lately? That's what there is!
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Re: Achieving max groundstroke speed

Postby teisinho » 25 Jun 2013, 19:09

Bata wrote:Why not just make a risk shot extremely high risk, like Teisinho said, with a very low success rate, and make it very stamina draining? For instance maybe a risk shot drains 75% of your stamina bar and only available when your stamina bar is at least at that level?

Disagree if you make a risk shot it means probably you are already out of fuel, its like a last resource. For me it doesnt make any sense to drain their stamina.
Bata wrote: I mean, TE is supposed to be very realistic, isn't it?

Its most realistic game by a clear mile.
Bata wrote:The fact of the matter is there are many, many pros that hit with a lot of topspin and also clobber the ball.
Only Nadals and Djokos? Have you watched pro tennis lately? That's what there is!

Mate i wish there were more good players haha rafa and nole are extremely good you can have more of those in a game, those are one of a kind if you know what i mean. manutoo is definitely right with making the game balanced.
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Re: Achieving max groundstroke speed

Postby Bata » 25 Jun 2013, 20:16

It could just as easily drain the long term stamina bar as the short term stamina bar. So you could be exhausted during the point and do a high risk shot and the stamina would be drained from the long term bar.
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Re: Achieving max groundstroke speed

Postby Bata » 25 Jun 2013, 20:17

But obviously this will never happen so it's a moot point.
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Re: Achieving max groundstroke speed

Postby manutoo » 26 Jun 2013, 05:04

Bata,
TE is fun & realistic, not realistic & fun..! ;)
And anyway, draining 75% of stamina in 1 shot would be very unrealistic...
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Re: Achieving max groundstroke speed

Postby teisinho » 26 Jun 2013, 05:20

manutoo wrote:Bata,
TE is fun & realistic, not realistic & fun..! ;)
And anyway, draining 75% of stamina in 1 shot would be very unrealistic...

haha draining stamina makes no sense at all. I agree with you sir.
He is not making a great argument haha! please read what i said? :mrgreen:
The only thing that can make a player stroke those risks with better or worse % should be confidence, like when you are onfire and everythings goes in (of course not everything but instead of a 5% a little more =P)
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Re: Achieving max groundstroke speed

Postby Bata » 26 Jun 2013, 11:07

If draining stamina makes no sense at all then please explain to me why acceleration shots drain more stamina than regular shots? Impress me with your argument. You are quite the suck up.
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Re: Achieving max groundstroke speed

Postby Bata » 26 Jun 2013, 11:10

It seems to me that you were more than happy at the idea of a risk shot, since, if I am not mistaken, you were actually the one that suggested it. Suddenly it's a bad idea to implement it?

I am removing myself from this forum permanently. ManuToo I enjoy your game but the people on this forum are rather dysfunctional.
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Re: Achieving max groundstroke speed

Postby teisinho » 26 Jun 2013, 14:03

Man im 100% behind you with the idea of implementing risk shot...but i dont agree with you about the topspin (game would get boring) and draining energy things you said.
And i already said why i think it shouldnt drain stamina... i will say it again: imo risk shot is like a loose or win shot. i imagine dolgopolov returning services when he just stroke it for a winner and i dont think its somethign that takes energy from him. I think the risk shot is something a player with already no energy would use in order to finish a point, and not a stroke that can take you a lot of you. its a "i dont give a crap" shot , you dont put a lot of yourself in the shot, you just relax your arm and crash the ball. Also 75% is a lot.
On the other hand regular strokes require fewer energy than acceleration strokes because it does take more of yourself (everyone who plays tennis knows it )but i dont like to put the riskshot into this category although it should be very powerful. I hope you understand my point of view.
Im not a suckup since i join the forum i didnt stop writing suggestions for the game to manutoo.
I think you should read a little more carefully everything we both said in this topic. you cant get mad just because i agree in one thing with him and not with you haha and as i said above im all about implementing the risk shot...
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Re: Achieving max groundstroke speed

Postby Yasin Ozkan » 26 Jun 2013, 16:11

the risk shot should drain a bit more stamina then the normal acc shot, but not 75% lol
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