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Re: Tennis Elbow 2011 v1.0f

Postby Dasp » 13 Dec 2012, 14:32

manutoo wrote:
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on fast incoming ball, the Counter accel is still fast enough, around 130km/h vs 135km/h for the PB.

If u say so, i just said what my experience against good movers showed me, its a bit harder now to hit winners to them..but nothing impossible aswell so no problem
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Re: Tennis Elbow 2011 v1.0f

Postby Dasp » 13 Dec 2012, 15:26

Which surface did u use manutoo? i sugest u try new line or clay with counter..
(ps- a sugestion which i only remember now, u could have created blue clay for this update)
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Re: Tennis Elbow 2011 v1.0f

Postby J.Crété » 13 Dec 2012, 15:31

Tristan von Blomberg wrote:Manutoo,
I collected the facts about 100 games by log-files and compared this with stats from http://www.atpworldtour.com/Press/Rankings-and-Stats, http://www.atpstats.info and some other sites.

At the same time, I feel bound to say that I'm agreed with the impression that
  • counters should get more accelerated strikes and
  • short strikes should be more flat to defend players on net (or something else to fix that).
By the way - John Isner (14), who lead the statistics of serving aces (1.31 per serving game), served about 27% more aces like me. At the same time I served 13% more aces than Roger Federer (2) (and who will tell us that Federer is bad at service). Juan Monaco (13) is the worst player at serving aces with only 0.07 aces per serving game. :D

Altogether I am a counter with 65% points (fair mode) at service :idea: so I think there's no argument for too slowly or inefficent services.

Some other nice facts: 1st service percentage was 73% (TE) and 61% in real tennis (TOP 100 ATP in 2012), 1st service average speed 182 km/h (TE) and 181 km/h (TOP 50 ATP in 2012) :!: ...


Where did you find the aces/serving games stats?
Because for the year 2012 Isner served 1.16 ace per serving game not 1.31 and Raonic did better than Isner with 1.23.
Federer did 0.638 and Monaco 0.14.

Alos your survey is pretty worhtless if you don't provide the actual data.
You can't just say that this and that have increased by X% if you don't provide the figures that you're supposed to have calculated to back it up.
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Re: Tennis Elbow 2011 v1.0f

Postby Tristan von Blomberg » 13 Dec 2012, 16:17

Dear J.Crété,
the stats are official ATP stats, released on 9th december 2012. At the end whether 1.31 or 1.16, result are the same: services in Tennis Elbow are comparable with real tennis. And we shouldn't begin to count beans that today isn't 9th december. :D

By the way - Isner served 1.002 aces in 765 service games, Raonic 1.005 aces in 810 service games. Calculate.
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Re: Tennis Elbow 2011 v1.0f

Postby J.Crété » 13 Dec 2012, 16:37

Tristan von Blomberg wrote:Dear J.Crété,
the stats are official ATP stats, released on 9th december 2012. At the end whether 1.31 or 1.16, result are the same: services in Tennis Elbow are comparable with real tennis. And we shouldn't begin to count beans that today isn't 9th december. :D

The season ends in early November...
Tristan von Blomberg wrote:By the way - Isner served 1.002 aces in 765 service games, Raonic 1.005 aces in 810 service games. Calculate.

Isner played 865 service games and Raonic 817.
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Re: Tennis Elbow 2011 v1.0f

Postby Tristan von Blomberg » 13 Dec 2012, 16:40

Isner played 865 service games and Raonic 817.


What is your source?
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Re: Tennis Elbow 2011 v1.0f

Postby J.Crété » 13 Dec 2012, 16:50

Tristan von Blomberg wrote:
What is your source?

Stats on atpworldtour.com

What's yours?
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Re: Tennis Elbow 2011 v1.0f

Postby Tristan von Blomberg » 13 Dec 2012, 16:55

RICOH ATP Matchfacts ... http://www.ricoh.com/
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Re: Tennis Elbow 2011 v1.0f

Postby J.Crété » 13 Dec 2012, 17:02

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Re: Tennis Elbow 2011 v1.0f

Postby Guest » 13 Dec 2012, 21:17

Lucian let us play with your animations.... you're retired ok, but can we use them online as well? :thinking:
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Re: Tennis Elbow 2011 v1.0f

Postby mb011 » 13 Dec 2012, 21:58

this new update is very, very strange. everything seems slower and unpredictable. top spin shot is useless...

looks to me this a change, just for the sake of the change. no need to do this. the last update before this one was fine...

have been playing this game for years, but i think i need to take a break, as these big changes happen way to often, with no apparent reason.
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Re: Tennis Elbow 2011 v1.0f

Postby Toyo » 14 Dec 2012, 00:52

Manu,Dasp...

Counter style is only playable in free mode like normal.

in tournee and fair mode:if ms is over 200 and maybe 150 you can't hit a clear counter shot =>for example: then you hit a high slow and not a deep shot and you get every time a winner around your ears!!!
And especially with the new release it's even slower then before.

BUT in free mode it's fine play with counter like it was and it should be.

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Re: Tennis Elbow 2011 v1.0f

Postby Dasp » 14 Dec 2012, 02:03

Toyo wrote:Manu,Dasp...

Counter style is only playable in free mode like normal.

in tournee and fair mode:if ms is over 200 and maybe 150 you can't hit a clear counter shot =>for example: then you hit a high slow and not a deep shot and you get every time a winner around your ears!!!
And especially with the new release it's even slower then before.

BUT in free mode it's fine play with counter like it was and it should be.

Greetz toyo,

It isn't completely useless, i mean against players that aren´t great movers its fine, but if ur playing against top players it's almost impossible to use this style
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Re: Comments about Build 94 (v1.0f)

Postby manutoo » 14 Dec 2012, 14:05

Dasp,
yup, I re-checked, and the Counter lacked a lil bit of power ; ie: it was nearly impossible to hit a winner against the CPU Pro-10, even when standing 3m inside the baseline... :sweat:
It should be ok with Build 95 now...

If I'm not mistaken, Blue Clay won't come back next year, so I won't incorporate it in the game...

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Toyo,
"high slow and not a deep shot" = you pressed the hit button too late (it happens more easily with high Delay).
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Re: Comments about Build 94 (v1.0f)

Postby Toyo » 17 Dec 2012, 06:26

Algo please!

This game is a very hard game to play sometimes, for many players here...

The goal is for almost everyone to play for your ELO points.Every single match.
And if you know your level in online play,well it's terrible for players to lose from players => not that good as you are.(after new releases or updates)
So as moderator in world tour you should stay out of this topic and giving critical answers as =>tired of<=. You must know better then that!

And WHY??? If ELO is not that important then we all playing the tennis games on the console boxes.
But you cannot compare those console games to this unique TElbow game, so the ELO quotation is maybe the most important thing that making this game so popular!

Or maybe I saw...

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